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Version 1

Optimus Primal
Optimusprimalbw
Next one of you that says "trukk not munky" gets it in the FACE.
Affiliations: Maximal, Autobot
Continuity family: Generation 1, Robots in Disguise
Appears in: Beast Wars cartoon, Tales of the Beast Wars stories, Transformers Beast Wars: Transmetals game, Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle game, Beast Machines cartoon, Beast Wars Metals manga, Robots in Disguise (toyline only), Wreckers/Universe comic, Robot Masters, Transformers Legends book, IDW Beast Wars, Cybertron comic
Alternate names: Blackjack (Continental European market), Convoy/Beast Convoy (Japanse)

I thought I'd put this one together to test a problem I realized Steve-O's bar layout might have... namely, the "Appears in". Can you fucking imagine how may screens long that will be for the likes of some of the G1 cast? Yow!

So I'm thinking instead of listing every fictional outlet, how about the second version below...

Version 2

Optimus Primal
Optimusprimalbw
Next one of you that says "trukk not munky" gets it in the FACE.
Affiliations: Maximal, Autobot
Continuity family: Generation 1, Robots in Disguise
Franchises: Beast Wars, Beast Wars II, Beast Machines, Robots in Disguise, Universe, Robot Masters
Alternate names: Blackjack (Continental European market), Convoy/Beast Convoy (Japanese)

That's a whole lot less lotta text. Which really is probably for the better since even with this reduced version, a goodly chunk of that is redundant with the automatically-generated link-menu that will come up to take people to all the headers. Hell, I'm thinking of paring it down even more...

Version 3

Optimus Primal
Optimusprimalbw
Next one of you that says "trukk not munky" gets it in the FACE.
Affiliations: Maximal, Autobot
Continuity family: Generation 1, Robots in Disguise
Origin Franchise: Beast Wars
Alternate names: Blackjack (Continental European market), Convoy/Beast Convoy (Japanese)

I think part of the problem is that the "in the blablabla portion of the eebleebleeble continuity family" is no longer right up at the top, so people are going to have to scroll down a screen to get that info, and if they're already looking down, then they're gonna see the auto-generated menu... unless we really want to start limiting the vertical on the main images. Which... I'm not wild over.

Thoughts n the subject? --M Sipher 08:42, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

What strikes me the most about these is that the jokey captions would look really bad and out of place when contained, in bold, as part of a formal info box, IMO. --KilMichaelMcC 12:02, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, the jokey captions look really bad in this format. If you did it like this, I'd suggest some kind of definitive quote for the character in that space, or just leave it blank. I would also consider using just a headshot for the box and then full-body shots elsewhere. I dunno. While I like the idea, I think it futzes a little too much with the established way of doing things around here, AND I DON'T COTTON TO THAT TOO MUCH, STRANGER. -hx, not logged in like a bad little boy.

I am growing less convinced that this box-thing will work, primarily because of the screen-length thing, partially because it is kind of nice to have the immediate faction/franchise/continuity info it contains right up at the very top of the article. And yeah, I do like having full-body (or close enough) art for a character rather than a headshot, especially considering the variety of form. --M Sipher 20:36, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

When I made my example box I wasn't thinking that I would want to get rid of the continuity note in favor of the box, but rather to have both of them. (Assuming, that is, that I/we came up with a box design we liked in the first place.) I think the continuity notes are very important. My thinking with the box was that it could systematize some of the info (like alternate names, a list of all factions/subgroups) and provide more detail on the continuity aspect. "Sure, Primal is a Maximal in the G1 continuity family, but what parts of it?" The table of contents can provide that info, I know, but personally I don't like the idea of using the TOC as a source of information. It's just an index.
I think that what really motivated me to try making the box was the recent addition of more foreign-language names to a bunch of articles. The current solution -- listing them after the intro blurb and before the TOC -- is not elegant when there's more than one or two names there. So, if I was going to put them someplace, why not in a box with a list of continuities?
Also, to clarify, my thought with "appears in" was not to literally list every last thing they appear in, but to state their (major) continuities. I guess "Continuities:" would be a better name for that. But, note in my Sunstreaker box I had G1 Miscellania, which was meant to refer to random one-offs, storybooks, and the like. For Primal, I would consider all the video games, Tales of the BW BotCon comic, TF Legends, etc., to be miscellania. The important stuff is BW/BM toon and Universe, basically. Still, I kinda like the idea of listing their franchises instead... I will have to think about it. --Steve-o 21:01, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Hm, okay. I thought this was gonna be a replacement for the note, that works. "Appears in" vs "Franchises" is a little tricky. Most of the time this is fairly simple, as most franchises are pretty... contained. G1, however, is sprawling... but MOST characters pretty much fall under "in every goddamn major one and most minor ones to boot" or "only showed up in one this one thing". I think I'd rather it be curt-n-concise and go with franchises. --M Sipher 02:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Can we maybe add a line between the caption and the info? --M Sipher 05:31, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

That would be fine, I think. Although I agree with what was said above -- the joke captions seem out of place in an infobox for some reason, so we might want to replace them with actual quotes, or simply eliminate them from the box totally. The downside is that some character articles only have one picture, so if we implement this, we might lose some good jokes unless we add more pics.  :) --Steve-o 13:27, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm very reluctant to lose the captions, partially for that very reason. Maybe we could make the info box a separate bit from the image that's always below-and-under, lined up width-wise? Push the name down to that box rather than over the image? --M Sipher 14:24, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Version 4

Optimus Primal is a Maximal and an Autobot in the Beast Era portion of the Generation 1 continuity family.
Optimusprimalbw

Next one of you says "trukk not munky" gets it in the FACE.

Optimus Primal
Affiliations: Maximal, Autobot
Continuity family: Generation 1, Robots in Disguise
Franchises: Beast Wars, Beast Wars II, Beast Machines, Robots in Disguise, Universe, Robot Masters
Alternate names: Blackjack (Continental European market), Convoy/Beast Convoy (Japanese)

Primal is the greatest person ever. Blah blah blah, lorem ipsum, honk donk.


Is this what you had in mind? I think it looks okay, although, having two separate boxes floating right at the top of every article might be a little much. I don't know... I will think about it. There are some minor style issues with margins in this version, but, that can be fixed. --Steve-o 15:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry to say, but the two-box "solution" totally does not work visually for me. The earlier, unified "trading card" look works so much better. Yes, it may give the appearance of the character's caption snark being official, but still. Two different boxes just looks worse. Not to sound discouraging, as I'd really really like to see the box get added. --Rotty 07:27, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Version 4A

Optimusprimalbw
Next one of you says "trukk not munky" gets it in the FACE.
Optimus Primal
Affiliations: Maximal, Autobot
Continuity family: Generation 1, Robots in Disguise
Franchises: Beast Wars, Beast Wars II, Beast Machines, Robots in Disguise, Universe, Robot Masters
Alternate names: Blackjack (Continental European market), Convoy/Beast Convoy (Japanese)

Nn. Much as I know I'm going to regret this, how about 'semi-attached,' thusly?-Derik 08:02, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Tech-Spec dicking around

Toys

Energon

Hotshotenergontoy

Hot Shot, part deux

  • Hot Shot (Deluxe, 2004)
Japanese ID number: SC-02
STR INT SPD END RNK CRG FRP SKL
7 8 10 8 8 9 7 9
In Energon, Hot Shot was updated as a modified yellow Aston-Martin Vanquish. He could carry a transparent red spring-loaded missile-launching weapon in either mode, and featured a small Autobot spark crystal on his chest on which Energon chips could be mounted. Like nearly all other Autobots in the Energon line, he could powerlinx with like-designed toys to form the top or bottom of a super robot.
Takara released Hot Shot in similar colors, changing the slate blue plastic to a dark, nearly-black blue, dropping the black paint on his car roof, and adding metallic blue paint to his chest. His head is also a nearly-identical-but-different sculpt, most noticeably around the mouth, chin, and eyes. The reason for this is unknown.
  • Hot Shot & Inferno (Multi-pack, 2003)
Japanese ID number: SS-01
In Japan, Takara released Hot Shot both individually and in a box set with Inferno.
Hotshotenergonenergontoy

He has a heart that burns for justice.

  • Energon Hot Shot (Deluxe, 2004)
Japanese ID number: SC-23
STR INT SPD END RNK CRG FRP SKL
7 9 9 9 8 9 7 9
Energon Energon Hot Shot gave the car mode a silver-painted finish and the robot parts a dark blue, yellow, and red color scheme reminiscent of Armada Hot Shot's colors. Energon Hot Shot used the Hasbro version of Hot Shot's head (see above).
When he was released in Japan as "Hot Shot Fire," his car mode was changed to an unpainted silver, and additionally the yellow plastic was changed to a sherbet orange, the dark blue plastic to black, and the transparent orange plastic to a transparent crimson red. He also came packaged with the Energy Cutter, a transparent watermelon-red redeco of Signal Flare's energon weapon, plus a matching energon chip. Hot Shot Fire used the Takara version of Hot Shot's head.

Mini-link points

Hot Shot seems to be my guinea pig.

Armada

HotShotArmada-Dx01

  • Hot Shot (Super-Con, 2002/2003)
Japanese ID number: MC-03
Armada Hot Shot transforms into a modified yellow Audi TT. He is packaged with Mini-Con Jolt, who, when attached to the powerlinx port on Hot Shot's rear, deploys his rear axle over the back of his head and (in the same motion) fires a missile from his hubcap. Jolt's gun can either attach to Hot Shot's robot mode chest or unveil "driving claws" from Hot Shot's front bumper by attaching to Hot Shot's car mode hood as his engine. Hot Shot's visor can also flip over his face.
"Hot Rod," Takara's Micron Legend version of Hot Shot, was released in altered colors, with a more saturated yellow and some dark gray paint in places instead of navy blue. Additionally, more of the belt straps on his chest were painted silver, his pelvis was painted a darker red, and there was clearer paint on his Autobot symbol. A retool (or vice versa) of Hasbro's Hot Shot, his right arm houses a light-up LED (for accommodating the translucent Star Saber sword) that glows when his side-view mirror is pressed, a feature that was dropped from the American version due to price-point concerns.
  • Hot Rod w/ Jolt and Air Defense Microns (2002)
Japanese ID number: MS-01
Takara's Hot Rod was also released in a box set with the Air Defense Mini-Con Team.
  • Hot Shot (Happy Meal, 2002)
Hotshotpowerlinx

i eAt yOuR bAbIEs!!

  • Powerlinx Hot Shot (Super-Con, 2003)
Japanese ID number: MC-13
A red, yellow, and black redeco and retool of the first Hot Shot, Powerlinx Hot Shot has a new head that has a more "serious" look, though his visor, sculpted directly into the new head, is no longer articulated. Intended to be an homage to Generation 1 Hot Rod, he has a yellow spoiler and flames on his hood. Due to a factory error, his forehead is painted gray instead of left red. The Japanese version, "Hot Rod Super Mode," fixed this forehead mistake, painted the shoulder symbol more clearly, and retained the LED light-up arm the first Japanese version featured.
Later in the line, a running change granted Powerlinx Hot Shot with a cleaner faction symbol. Rumors circulated that a Powerlinx Hot Shot with fixed forehead paint would surface later in the run, but this did not seem to happen, and no specimens with this fix have ever materialized.
In November of 2003, US Toys "R" Us stores had special bonus pack Max-Con (Deluxe) toys, which came with a single bonus Mini-Con attached to the card over their sticker, for less than the price of a normal Max-Con during Toys "R" Us' post-Thanksgiving-day sale. Like Powerlinx Cyclonus, Powerlinx Hot Shot could come with one of the Adventure Mini-Con Team members: Dune Runner, Iceberg or Ransack.

Built-to-Rule

  • Hot Shot (Built to Rule, 2003)


Energon

Hotshotenergontoy

Hot Shot, part deux

  • Hot Shot (Deluxe, 2004)
Japanese ID number: SC-02
In Energon, Hot Shot was updated as a modified yellow Aston-Martin Vanquish. He could carry a transparent red spring-loaded missile-launching weapon in either mode, and featured a small Autobot spark crystal on his chest on which Energon chips could be mounted. Like nearly all other Autobots in the Energon line, he could powerlinx with like-designed toys to form the top or bottom of a super robot.
Takara released Hot Shot in similar colors, changing the slate blue plastic to a dark, nearly-black blue, dropping the black paint on his car roof, and adding metallic blue paint to his chest. His head is also a nearly-identical-but-different sculpt, most noticeably around the mouth, chin, and eyes. The reason for this is unknown.
  • Hot Shot & Inferno (Multi-pack, 2003)
Japanese ID number: SS-01
In Japan, Takara released Hot Shot both individually and in a box set with Inferno.
Hotshotenergonenergontoy

He has a heart that burns for justice...and jaAm.

  • Energon Hot Shot (Deluxe, 2004)
Japanese ID number: SC-23
Energon Energon Hot Shot gave the car mode a silver-painted finish and the robot parts a dark blue, yellow, and red color scheme reminiscent of Armada Hot Shot's colors. Energon Hot Shot used the Hasbro version of Hot Shot's head (see above).
When he was released in Japan as "Hot Shot Fire," his car mode was changed to an unpainted silver, and additionally the yellow plastic was changed to a sherbet orange, the dark blue plastic to black, and the transparent orange plastic to a transparent crimson red. He also came packaged with the Energy Cutter, a transparent watermelon-red redeco of Signal Flare's energon weapon, plus a matching energon chip. Hot Shot Fire used the Takara version of Hot Shot's head.

Cybertron

Hotshotcybertrontoy

Hot Shot's Blue Period.

  • Hot Shot (Deluxe Class, 2005)
Japanese ID number: GC-02'
An homage to Generation 1 Hot Rod in design but not in color scheme, Cybertron Hot Shot transforms into a modified blue Chrysler ME Four-Twelve concept car. He comes with a Speed Planet Cyber Key that deploys transparent yellow wings from his spoiler when the key is inserted into the rear of the car. The toy also comes with a spring-loaded missile-launching gun that can be carried in robot mode or pegged into the roof of the car mode.
The Japanese release, "Exillion," is completely identical other than a slight molding difference; two screws on either side of the spoiler are visible in the American release and all subsequent uses of the mold, but the original Japanese use of the mold had these screws buried. Though the Japanese release was treated as a separate character from Hot Shot, the toy was designed to be the character from Armada and Energon, as evident by his head design and control art labeling him as such.
This mold was used to make Red Exillion (see below) and Excellion.
  • Hot Shot (Legends of Cybertron, 2005/2006)
A smaller, simplified version of Cybertron Hot Shot was released as part of the first wave of Legends of Cybertron toys.
This mold was used to make a second Legends of Cybertron Hot Shot (see below) and Classics Bumblebee.
Hotshotcybertrondefensetoy

He's full of tiny missiles. Bubbles, not so much.

  • Cybertron Defense Hot Shot (Deluxe Class, 2005)
Japanese ID number: GC-19
Cybertron Defense Hot Shot transforms into a modified M1117 Guardian Armored Security Vehicle, in the same blue, navy, and red color scheme as the previous Cybertron Hot Shot. A Cybertron Cyber Key is included and when the key is inserted into the back of the turret, the two gun barrels open up into dual (non-firing) missile launchers. Compartments on his shoulders and his thighs can also open up to reveal additional missile launchers. Cybertron Defense Hot Shot also comes with a dagger that stows between his legs in vehicle mode, and when in robot mode, the dagger can be hand-held, peg into the front of his fist, or be put away in a sheath on his leg.
"Exigeyser," Cybertron Defense Hot Shot's Japanese counterpart, is completely identical, but also came with a cardboard standup depicting three Scrapmetal. The American version of Cybertron Defense Hot Shot was at some point intended to have a slightly altered deco, which is shown on the back of the packaging, but this altered deco for some reason never superseded the Japanese deco for American release.
Redexillion

Someone had to sell porn to afford this.

  • Red Exillion (DVD exclusive, 2005)
Red Exillion is a redeco of the Cybertron Hot Shot toy in red, dark red, and orange, with transparent blue. Limited to 500, it came with the first Galaxy Force DVD and an empty box set to prepare against the next few Galaxy Force DVD releases. This redeco took advantage of the toy's homage to Generation 1 Hot Rod, completing the homage with appropriate colors, though the toy is still treated as Hot Shot in Hot Rod colors and not as a Hot Rod toy.
Before the toy saw official release, several advance test shots entered the market, though in a slightly altered color treatment than the final. Originally, the dark red was a brighter red.
This toy was the indirect inspiration for Cybertron Excellion. (The direct inspiration, of course, being the original Hot Rod.)
  • Hot Shot (Legends of Cybertron, 2006)
LOCExcellion

WhErE JAam!1?/

A redeco of Legends of Cybertron Hot Shot uses Excellion's approximate coloration and paint scheme; however, the toy is not actually labelled "Excellion", merely "Hot Shot". The reason for this is unclear.
This mold was later repainted into Classics Legends Bumblebee.

Attacktix

Attacktix CybHotShot

yAy, jaAm shOoToR!!1

  • Hot Shot (Booster, 2006)
Attacktix ID number: TF09
Part of the first assortment of Attacktix Booster Packs, Hot Shot is a "Super Rare" 40-point Warrior-class piece with a spring-loaded "shield-missile" attack. His Special Power "Rally" allows you to return one of your previously-defeated Autobot pieces back into play. The figure commonly has a black base, but like all Boosters, a rarer chrome-silver-base version was randomly packed into boxes as well.
This mold was also used to make Attacktix Excellion, who was also a wave-1 Booster piece.
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