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Revenge of the Fallen

I think we really need at least one helper here to deal with things about Revenge of the Fallen, since there are too many unconfirmed infomations and rumors, besides, many new related articles are written in poor quality (including layout). --TX55^TALK 05:14, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Just want to say that there are 2 more more characters that need to be added to the cast: Ejector and another unnamed robot, but the two, plus Wheelie, are going to be animated by an Allspark shard, and i got this info from the Sears website, in the comic adaptation. -Anonymus

About Wikia - RecentChange

Okay, first is MediaWiki:Recentchangestext become very... "simple" (several things was cut and made the template become very weird like this.

And then, "Show new changes starting from TIME, DATE" disappeared. Any one know why? --TX55^TALK 14:01, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi, we've been doing some maintenance on the interface... removing some of the excess that's built up over the years. Mediawiki does tend towards over-technical wordyness at times :) Of course, each wiki can over-ride the global defaults with local changes if they prefer. Local admins just need to edit the mediawiki pages here, and the local versions will be shown instead of the Wikia global ones. So if you feel something is too simple now, you can change it back (but think of the newbies! ;) -- sannse (talk) 17:39, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, I understand now. ;-D (But I think those aren't really excess, though. It's very convenient.^^) By the way, I know about local overriding but I'm still not familiar with the MediaWiki, which entry from MediaWiki should I edit in order to restore "Show new changes starting from TIME, DATE"? And what is it source code (like using which template or tags) to create "Show new changes starting from (TIME, DATE)"? Thanks again. ^^ --TX55^TALK 02:39, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

You can usually find the right page by searching though the text of Special:AllMessages.. For this one, you need to edit MediaWiki:Rclistfrom to say "Show changes since $1" (no quotes). -- sannse (talk) 10:39, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

OH, that's very convenient. And I just restore the setting. Thanks a lot!! ;-D --TX55^TALK 15:22, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

The ads which ruin the layout

Well, I know it is an old issue ^^, but it is really a "bit" of incovenience. Is there any chance to:

• make the landscape ads (the upper one) more on-center than on-right?

• remove the square ads (the left one) since it is much harder to handle and often ruin the layout.

--TX55^TALK 02:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but the ads can't be changed. Remember the main page ads are the only external ads you see if you are logged in. -- sannse (talk) 10:41, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

That's okay :D but I remember I saw some sites only have the landscape ads (That is one of the reasons I post the section).

Rampant vandalism, w/ no banning?:

See Arcee (G1) and Ravage (Movie). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.231.130.121 (talk • contribs).

I'm sorry, but I don't get your point. --TX55^TALK 15:25, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Switching to the new parser

Hi,

We are currently making preparations for the next wiki software upgrade. While we expect this to have little or no effect on most wikis, it may cause some pages on this wiki to render poorly. To help reduce or eliminate these issues, please see the Central Forums for more details.

Thanks - sannse (talk) 13:36, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

We got a problem

Template:Episodenav seem to be broken and I can't figure out the key point. Plus...(please don't laugh at me) I don't know how to use "report the problem". OMG. --TX55^TALK 14:08, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I've asked Uberfuzzy, our resident template guru, to come over and help. This is probably a side-effect of the switch to the new parser (see above) -- sannse (talk) 15:21, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Got it, Thank you! ;-D --TX55^TALK 16:40, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I... stopped the parser from complaining about the loop, but I would only lightly call it "fixed". Its still some pretty heavily linked code, all i did was safely (i think, only did some basic testing) split it into separate templates so that the parser wouldnt see it as a loop anymore. I'll put this wiki on my list of wikis to comeback to once we're doing flipping to everyone to the new parser to see if theres better cleanup that needs to be done. --Uberfuzzy 18:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

*chortles unprofessionally* I beat my head against a wall for 10 days on that thing before I figured out the right solution.

I look forward to the depths of your existential horror when you realize that there are actually two separate implementations of the undocumented lovecraftian episode-nav guts template living side-by-side on the wiki (and possibly partially intertwined like incestuous hillbillies, I forget) to either be sorted out or percussively updated in perpetuity. We were in the middle of iteratively moving from one to the other when we decided to leave Wikia-- and so we left them, conjoined and suffering, for you to deal with.

Weep at their liminality, for your tears are delicious to me, and nurture my blackened hate-filled heart!
  love and kisses,
    -Derik, tfwiki.net

Thank you very much!! It is back in function now! ^^ --TX55^TALK 15:32, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Our "new user"

Well, no offenSe, but it's about our "new user". I really don't like others who post message in my name, it is "a little bit" troublesome. Because IT IS NOT me. Can we change User:Wikia's welcome note into:

Hi, welcome to Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the (page name).

If you have any problem, you can leave a message on the most active user's talk page(which use "&action=edit&section=new" within the link).

-- User:Wikia^Talk 05:38, 2009 March 19

At least don't sign a name who doesn't post the message. I believe there must be someone else who is being troubled by this bot user. I apologize if I'm being not polite. :) --TX55^TALK 06:59, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

And it even welcomes the vandalizer. May I ban the bot for few days before we have any further method to work it out?

• User talk:205.235.57.1 - Beta
• User talk:194.80.135.122 - U-Haul Robot

--TX55^TALK 15:11, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello, anyone here? --TX55^TALK 07:52, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi, just to make sure you know how to disable this or change the welcome message, there are full instructions on the user page. -- sannse (talk) 13:15, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Oooh, how silly I am. I must be too flustered(?) to miss the instruction. Thanks for noticing! ^^ --TX55^TALK 14:57, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Um, is there any way to idetify User:Wikia as a bot account on RecentChanges? --TX55^TALK 16:36, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Sure, I've set it as a bot -- sannse (talk) 17:00, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! ;-D --TX55^TALK 05:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

New admin recruiting

I think we need another one or two admins, because only one is quite not enough. --TX55^TALK 13:05, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

What an admin should do?

• Patrolling RecentChanges and Upload log

• Removing/Deleting vandalizing (normal users have the responsibility, too)
  • Banning vandalizer for 1 year

• Giving certain users {{captionbastard}}, {{newpagebastard}}, {{scoopbastard}}, {{previewbutton}}, {{uploadingbastard}}, {{tagyourpics}} and other User notice templates. (normal users have the responsibility, too)

• Revising out-verse into in-universe, especially the contents under certain section such as Fiction section. (normal users have the responsibility, too)
  • (No) "In the episode B.O.T., we saw A kicked B's butt."
  • (Okay) "A kicked B's butt. B.O.T.

• Filling information to new files without any description/information, especially copyright informations. If you don't know the source/artist, place {{source?}}/{{artist?}} or both. (normal users have the responsibility, too)
• Tagging low-res images with {{badimage}}
• Deleting bad-named file. Such as MEG-1.jpg or 12839r475tr5bv.jpg. (normal users have the responsibility, too)

• Deleting/Removing leak information (including review from stolen toys), fan stuff, any nonofficial products ...etc (normal users have the responsibility, too)

By the way, I found I cannot access to Special:UserRights. IIRC, isn't all the sysop can access the page? --TX55^TALK 04:02, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I think only Bureaucrats or higher can do that, which would be Nova81426, who hasn't edited since 2005. Can someone at Wikia turn TX55 into a Bureaucrat? --Tetrap 03:19, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Admin identifying

Um, how to identifying the admin in recent changes or page history? Such as highlighting the user name or placing a icon besides the user name. Thanks! ;-D --TX55^TALK 13:48, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Category editing

Is there any way to make it stay in code view? Thanks. ;-D --TX55^TALK 03:47, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

ATENTION ANIMATED FANS

Moved from Talk:Transformers Animated --TX55^TALK 13:37, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I have been using the "Animated screen captures" on almost every Transformers Animated cartoon screencap but there are still some that I have missed. I have already done the characters and the episodes' screens and now I need you to check the other TV animated Screencaps and put down "Animated screen captures" on their Categorys. Thank you. Mr. Serious 11:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

TFA episodes that is not broadcast yet

Okay, someone gave me a noticeh. Some episodes hasn't be broadcast on it broadcasting date (ex: Human Error pt1 on 4/18 but the page content came up on 4/17), why it show up on this site? Is it legal-and-not-leak? Just ask for sure. Because I just hear some of the 3rd season episode has been leaked to YouTube. --TX55^TALK 14:16, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

A kid's game

Does it seem to you that this wikia seems a bit too...casual? Jokes are littered all over the text and most notably, in picture captions. It's not bad or anything, just seems informal and uncomfortable. And it seems like my username carries over to other wikias, yet not this one. Would that mean this is not an "official side wiki?" Then again, my username only carries on two wikias...but I've only checked five wikias in terms of my username, not counting wikipedia itself...but the other one that doesn't have my username is definitely a strange branch of the .wikia.coms...though it is probably the best wikia I've ever seen. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.124.184.88 (talk • contribs).

That... has been questioned over and over. The site is written in various required factor with relax style in captions and several articles. informal and uncomfortable? It depend on users' feeling. As for the username, this happens to me in another wikia few months before. That might be related to the system bug. --TX55^TALK 03:19, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I kinda enjoy the humor on this site, I say yes to humor, no to spoilers, false information, and using another user's ID, as long as It's not bad I don't have a problem with it.--Razorstrike 03:11, 2 May 2009 (UTC)Razorstrike

We got a serious problem.

Probably some of you have noticed... every time when there is a new material (recently, those are about ROTF and TFA s3) such as new toy photos, new trailers, even unconfirmed/non official or stolen leak info come out, there will be "several" users (registered or anon) who get too excited and add those info in badly written way. Most of them are written out universe (break the fourth wall), speculation, capitalization-less, bad grammar and so on.

If any of you see these, you need to help the site to fix it, clean it, remove it. Because if no one do it, the site will became a ... mess some day. Thank you every much. --TX55^TALK 13:12, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

For further information, see: Help: Contents

NO MORE COPY FROM TFWIKI

OKAY, I'm very pissed off now.

PLEASE DO NOT copy the whole article from TFWIKI again! I don't care what the GFDL thing, JUST DON'T COPY ANY ARTICLES!

The recent case is Jennifer Witwicky. Some newpage bastard start a crap, then some users replicated the whole page from TFwiki. Even "*Her character brings up some interesting philosophical/ethical/religious questions that TFWiki is now forced to tackle." showed up.

So, I delete the page and tried to rewrite it, but it turn out "not-so-well", since I don't have much source.

That's fine. BUT I become the scapegoat since I've delete the page once, making I'm the only contributor. So, I get blamed, with bad word, making me a completely plagiarizer.

What am I saying is, PLEASE DO NOT copy the whole article from TFWIKI again! Next time banned.

I'm sorry if I've being very rude in the section. --TX55^TALK 05:49, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

TX is right, there's a reason there's two different wikis. Damned if I know what it is, but we need to actually use original material here, not shameless plagiarism. What are we, Denis Leary or something? Jeep! 06:17, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

email updates

Moved from User talk:TX55

Lately, when I check my webmail for updates to pages on my watchlist, some of the links are cut off immediately after the character name; has anyone else had this problem? Xeno the Hedgehog 23:51, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't have the problem since I don't use the feature often so far. @@ --TX55^TALK 03:06, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I am confused. I came to this wiki because I thought it was a serious collection of Transformers data. After reading the first article I found that all of the photo inserts have nothing but jokes in the captions. Lame jokes at that. Leave the comidy to the pro's. Another good wiki idea, ruined by immature wannabe's.

SABOTAGE

Originally post on Talk:Unicron#SABOTAGE

That's why we need new admins, and I've sent a e-mail to the staff for requesting adding Jeep! as a new admin and four more users with rollback button. But I haven't received any reply yet. --TX55^TALK 12:37, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Proposed Change For Maurice LaMarche page

Moved to Talk:Maurice LaMarche

Bullet points

Actually, it's been a while. When using IE and Fire Fox (from 3.0, not for older version such as 2.0), the bullet point lay over the picture, not to mention the picture lays over the message box such as Template:Stub. Can the problem be fixed? Thanks. --TX55^TALK 02:53, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

How to edit Special:Upload

As title, I think Special:Upload page need some changes, but I don't know its MediaWiki page name, does anyone know how to edit it? Thanks. :D --TX55^TALK 01:41, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Image captions

Moved from Talk:Main Page

I don't find them funny and I bet not many people do. I have been on many wikis and I have never seen one like this. It has good content but what is with the captions? Chester Talk 15:14, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to the minority group. The rules say that "the funny stays", so there's no changing that. Be sure to check out pages like the Blasty Zone and the Liar Starscream to see just how 'funny' we can be. --Sabrblade 21:46, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I love the funny. And on a different note I have only ever been on TFWiki.net once in my life, as opposed to being here EVERY DAY. And Transformers IS serious business yo. This reply to several topics brought to you by The Kaotikons, led by KaotikusNemesis 01:34, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I laughed more at the end of Titanic. Chester Talk 17:24, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

So did I, but I'm a sadistic evil entity bent on the persecution and destruction of all sentient beings. Anyway, to quote 'The Management': "THE FUNNY STAYS.", and besides, if it hurts you so bad, just remember, "We only gain wisdom through suffering, and tonight Teletraan-1, The Transformers Wiki, intends to make you very wise.--KaotikusNemesis 00:49, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, that sounds very comforting[/sarcasm] --Sabrblade 01:21, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

You do realise that "The Management" has all left and gone to TFWiki.net, don't you? That pretty much means that "THE FUNNY STAYS" is up to the community. --Tetrap 09:58, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Heehee.--KaotikusNemesis 21:46, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Whatever. Chester Talk 16:23, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

....Why'd you have to go and bring up a good point?....And put it above the previous statements? --KaotikusNemesis 10:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

If I'd put it at the bottom, it might have looked like I was replying to ChesterB or something. Wiki talk page threading can be so unclear at times. --Tetrap 12:19, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

By the way who is the managment, If you want to put stupid captions in you do that.Chester Talk 12:23, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Well....I can't think of a good reason to keep it, but I still like the funny....Oh my god, Starscream, and Prowl just died. Downer. Sorry to change the subject, anyway, do whatever, it's all good. What?! What kind of lame ending was that?!--KaotikusNemesis 12:32, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

It's up to you how you want your wiki to look, even though you buthered a great topic. Chester Talk 13:18, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

The funny is staying, of course, in any way at any measure. It's always one of the unique style of the site. I know some people will say this is immature, stupid, juvenile, making the site informal, self-disrespecting (to the site) ...blah blah blah. BUT, the site is already formal since the Dinosaurs lived. Remove the funny? When the pig flies... and I'd consider, ya, only consider. --TX55^TALK 14:04, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, the style would be unique if TFWiki.net wasn't also doing it. Thus meaning you have two wikis doing the exact same thing, which is completely pointless and useless.

It would be in the better interest of this wiki here to do things differently in order to, well, differentiate itself from TFWiki.net. It would also help attract more editors, as those folks who like the funny have almost all left to TFWiki.net. Meanwhile, there are a number of knowledgeable folks who didn't contribute to the original wiki because they disliked the funny, who would be willing to come back here and contribute if this wiki now took a more serious bent.

Keeping the funny does you no favors whatsoever. --96.240.213.187 15:01, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

As it is, a lot of the time "the Funny" just seems to encourage random site vistors to try to add their own attempts at "humor" to the captions, earning themselves a "caption bastard" template. --Tetrap 01:59, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Caption bastard isn't quite a problem. The real problems which the site is facing are those who don't know how to edit on Wiki system, those who were gave {{correctenglish}}, new page bastard, upload bastard/{{tagyourpics}}, or layout bastard. And last but not least, who don't know the rules/standards, such as scoop bastard, out-universe writting in the fiction section, non-official products, and those who post comments in the articles. These are the real problem what the site is facing. In short: Editors' quality. And I can't imagine what _disasters will happen after the movie's premiere. --TX55^TALK 03:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

But some is just so good....Like the Lebowski reference on G1 Beachcomber's page. Made me laugh to beat the band. Parts, anyway. I also just realized that I have never edited a caption.--KaotikusNemesis 02:19, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I have started a farely large conversation here, go me! Chester Talk 17:50, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Wait I have changed my mind I like some of the funny. "He has more guns than a smaller third-world country" Chester Talk 17:02, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Problem reporting function

Why can't I find it like in other wikia site? --TX55^TALK 17:31, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

The former admins did not like it at all, so they hid all the links with css. So eventually it was turned off here, since it was being hidden. --Uberfuzzy 18:54, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I got it. So, can the report function be turned on again for those such as the template pages? --TX55^TALK 01:30, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

It should be on now. But, it only works on namespaces marked as content, which means article pages (namespace 0) --Uberfuzzy 18:28, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Site theme

Uh, hey! Did I miss a discussion somewhere about changing the site theme? I looked in the usual places, but no mention of it at all. --Tetrap 12:04, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Scott have sent me some messages to me about this two months ago. I didn't know the solid way to "improving the search" til yesterday. --TX55^TALK 18:47, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I was kinda surprised when I saw that the whole site scheme had changed without any apparent discussion. At least someone knew about it, but I would have expected there to be some sort of consultation with the user base about it. I mean the new theme looks great and all... but no one thought to say "Hey, we're thinking of changing the site to look like this screenshot. What does everyone think?" --Tetrap 21:36, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I personally liked the old version more, 'cuz the purple was vaguely Decepticon-y, whereas the red makes me think "OMFG AUTOBOTS", but it's still good....I'll most assuredly get used to it though.--KaotikusNemesis 11:05, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I figured it was always changed to reflect the newest continuity thing, and the movie faction symbol shows it to be current with the new film coming out, just as the old theme was very Animated-centric. Makes sense to me. Jeep! 01:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but at least last time it was changed there was some discussion beforehand. And the new page title "Transformers 2, Animated, Toys" isn't even accurate - Revenge of the Fallen doesn't have "2" in the title! --Tetrap 04:06, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't know why the staff mentions the theme modification only to me and I'm sorry I forgot to tell everybody here if this caused troublesome issue. As for the "Transformers 2", it is because for the search engine such as Google, Yahoo, Metacrawler much more easily to find the site by just typing "Transformers 2" in the search box. Just like what happen to Terminator Wiki recently. --TX55^TALK 14:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Page name

Moved from User talk:TX55

Hiya. We need to keep the pagetitle without the Teletran stuff in there. It's hurting our pagerank in Google, and we want people to be able to find us. We're trying to keep valuable keywords in that space, and Teletran isn't one of them. If you've got any questions, please let me know. —Scott (talk) 17:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I know it's about the search key word, however, it would also make the site seems no longer "Teletraan I" anymore. That's why I keep the site name. Also, I'd like to hear about other user's opinion here. :D --TX55^TALK 01:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Stuffing titles with keywords is an old trick, and most search engines are wise to it now. Google will see we have "Transformers 2" in the title of every page and ignore it. Sitewide titles are rarely relevant for ranking these days and, when it comes down to it, do we want to be "A Transformers wiki" or do we want to be "Teletraan 1: The Transformers Wiki", a name which has some history to it? --Tetrap 02:33, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Tetrap; pagerank is a stupid reason to change the name of the site. To me, this wiki is, always has been, and always will be Teletraan-I. Xeno the Hedgehog 06:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

And I'd complain about the fact that the main page has been completely changed, with no soliciting of input or otherwise consulting the community, but there doesn't seem to be any point, since Wikia are ignoring us anyway. --Tetrap 21:18, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Tetrap. Can you let me know where Wikia is ignoring you?

I admit, I'm a little confused about not caring where the site is ranked in a search. The wiki is a collaborative project that only works when we're maximing the visibility of the site to all Transformers fans. So, if we show up in the top 5 in a search for Transformers, it's a lot better than showing up several pages into Google's search results. This wiki has some amazing content and I believe it's good enough to be one of the internet's top resources for Transformers. Everything we're doing with the front page and pagetitle and welcome templates is to help improve this experience. —Scott (talk) 21:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't forget, all you unhappy editors - TFWIKI.NET - The Transformers Wiki, the independant site run by the original community that made Teletraan I what it is, doesn't put ya through this sort of rigamarole! - 86.161.254.218 22:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

New admins and rollback users requesting

I've sent few request for weeks (at least a month?), when can the site have new admins and rollback users? (And I haven't mentioned the bureaucrat yet) Thanks. --TX55^TALK 18:47, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

The new color of the Monaco skin

Um, I think we should change the color of the back ground and the red 'cause I really feel much uncomfortable for my eyes. (By the way, I didn't know the new skin has so much red until yesterday.) Any one have same or similar thought?

Plus, there are many colors waiting for us. I personally think colors such as gold may be good. --TX55^TALK 14:42, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Why not try Decepticon Purple? Xeno the Hedgehog 17:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

↑THIS.--KaotikusNemesis 00:25, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

The future of this place

It has come to my attention that the title of "Teletraan 1" has suddenly vanished from the site logo. And in its place has come.... "Transformers Wiki". Hey ho! Guess who else goes by that name!

This move smacks of desperation, and frankly, I don't blame anybody here for feeling that way. I don't know how much community has arisen here since the mass exodus of 2008, but it doesn't look like much. Most attempts to keep the place going have not been terribly successful. The number of articles here has barely grown in... what is it now, 8 months? It's gone from maybe 6,800 at the time of the split, to 7,100 today. Meanwhile, over at the new place, we're rapidly closing in on Article #9,000 - and that's despite the various setbacks and disasters we've had along the way.

I bring this up not because I want to see this site give up or anything, but because -- as Derik pointed out a few months ago -- this site is currently drifting rudderless, and it's drifting along a path that the new site has already forged. This site is currently trying to do what TFWiki.net already does, and in the absence of the community that exists there, it's failing miserably.

I would much rather see the site choose a direction of its own instead. And there is a clear and even EASY direction it could follow, one that would answer long-standing complaints about TFWiki.net from certain quarters of the fandom: Play it straight. Rework this site as a non-humor-inclusive wiki. Make it an actual ALTERNATIVE to TFWiki.net, rather than a slowly-shriveling duplicate husk, coasting on the legacy of a community that has departed.

Of course, I doubt this will happen. Frankly, I think the people who do this complaining don't have the cajones to stand up and actually do anything about it, let alone come together to form a community and take collective action. But, in case I'm wrong, consider this a gauntlet thrown down.

This site will never surpass TFWiki.net so long as it continues to float aimlessly in TFWiki's wake. But if it heads into new territory instead, it might actually come to serve a purpose once more. -- Repowers 01:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I dunno, man. I like editing here. And I like the humour. Yeah, the work here's pretty frustrating sometimes but overall I don't feel the need to change the overall vibe. Jeep! 21:26, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, then, dude... at the risk of sounding like an editor-poacher... why don't you just come over to TFWiki.Net? More active website, nearly two thousand more articles, with hundreds more articles in better condition that this websites, and the humor and fun tone that you enjoy about this place... but with actual admins to police the place better (no slight against TX55, he's doing what he can, but it's an uphill battle.) - 81.157.115.155 23:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Yep, I know you weren't against me at all (really) since it's true they are really better. Since my work here is simply (but work-taking because there are still one sysop now) keeping the site from getting broken apart from those-who-don't-know-how-to-edit-appropriately (TWDnKHTEA). And what's more, frankly speaking (contents hide) Anyway, in short, what I am working on here is to assure there won't fall apart by TWDnKHTEA and there will still be new info added. :) --TX55^TALK 02:45, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I guess I could work on both, I suppose. Jeep! 23:40, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

We'd be happy to have you! -- Repowers 02:43, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

New admins and rollback users requesting, AGAIN

Okay, I've sent requesting message over and over again for over a month until I stop in recent weeks. The message was either non-replied or "Find sb. who is familiar" (while I still got no replied after I sent to the staff).

Well, before the exodus, it seems the user can become an admin as soon after getting recommended. While now, it seems not so fast. I've invited two user nearly two months ago, and they are still normal users.

Transformers: Revenge of The Fallen is going to premiere in less than 20 days. I can't imagine what will happen after ROTF in theater. The site really need more admins to help maintain it.

I'll post the new admin and rollback user list here this time.

Admin

• Jeep!
• Xeno the Hedgehog

Rollback

• KaotikusNemesis
• Sabrblade
• SeryanL
• StarShade17
• Tetrap

Thank you very much. :)

-- Yours Sincerely, TX55^TALK 13:04, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

TX, I've responded to your requests about new admins. Can we move forward with cleaning up the tone of these templates? I've provided suggestions for making them more helpful rather than scaring away new contributors. I appreciate the removal of three of the "bastard" templates, but the continuing use of the remaining 15 as they're currently set up, isn't in the best interests of this wiki's growth. —Scott (talk) 16:36, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

It's not easy to get the balance between the old and new template which I'm still trying to rework. And I don't think this is related to the new admin issue. I mean, why can we have some new admin, and maybe we could work it out. --TX55^TALK 16:44, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, it kind of is. Any new admins that are recruited at this point will be following your lead. I think this wiki has the potential to be an exciting place for Transformers fans to hang out again, but the harsh tone left over from the previous regime needs to go away in order for that to happen. We want communities to grow and prosper, but if new contributors are constantly getting bombarded with messages harshly telling them what they did wrong, they're not going to stick around. Messages left for new users who make mistakes should be helpful an informative. An admin's job is see over that process. If a new person on the wiki makes an edit in good faith, they should be encouraged about how to best improve the wiki, not scolded for their innocent mistakes. If that type of administering continues, I don't think it's in the best interests here. I'd love to have some new folks promoted before the influx of traffic comes from the release of the new movie -- can we make sure that the next generation of administration here is going to be helpful rather than berating? —Scott (talk) 16:55, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

All I said is, the site is still in a transitional state, and there are only one sysop. I need to make sure all article is in the normal quality, that's the first thing what I do every day (After I finish my office work). After patrolling is done, then I check if I have more time left for me to do some administration work. Like I said, it effort-taking job and there is only one person who is doing. So, I can't rework 15 template at any time, though I want to change them.

But fortunately, at least some of the users do help with the quality-control. That's why I ask them to be part of the sysop team. And I believe they have their own opinions. I never think to be a leading role at the moment. In my experiences, some time it's a teamwork without a leader 'cause every one is a leader. Other time, it's a teamwork with a head. In this case, I hope we can work under the former situation more often, because I don't think I've stayed long enough to be one. There are still things I need to learn. So, by working together, I can gain more experiences. However, there is only a sysop now, so I need to work alone to figure things out. (Well, if someone ask me why I need a bureaucrat, that's because the site needs one.)

I'll post something if I find I miss some point. :) `--TX55^TALK 17:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I absolutely appreciate your position, and I'm glad you feel that way. I should point out that users don't have to be admins to provide quality control or help new users. I encourage anyone in the community who cares about the quality of the wiki to do so. That said, being granted admin privileges is certainly more of a commitment to those ideas. I'd love to hear from some of the people you've suggested for the role about their thoughts regarding the tone for new users moving forward. —Scott (talk) 17:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, ja, I forgot to mention I know users don't have to be admins to provide quality control or help new users. But what I do know is, being admin can use more functions to help the site than a normal user. I always remember during the period between the Exodus to the time I become a sysop, it's really extremely chaotic and terrible. Because:

1. No one can banned the vandalizing users.
2. No one can delete the pages with ridiculous contents. Even the contents are removed, the pages are still there, sometimes even with ridiculous title.
3. Okay, now here is one sysop finally. But one day, the only-one sysop suddenly got some emergency such as: getting sick (especially heavily ill), a desk filled with reports, works and files, or the computer crushing, and not to mention the Professor is behind you, waiting for the thesis. THEN, the site is just like good old days — nobody can deal with the #1 and #2.
4. Not to mention any other possible situation.

Now THESE are the reason why I'm so insisting that the site NEED at least two more admins. --TX55^TALK 17:41, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

What's "Rollback" mean again?--KaotikusNemesis 22:03, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Means you can revert several edits at once, skipping back to a few versions ago on a page. Jeep! 00:14, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, by clicking the rollback button, you can revert a sequence of the edits contribute by the same user without entering the editing screen. :) --TX55^TALK 01:03, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

....Whoa, brah.--KaotikusNemesis 07:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

User Templates

Okay, since Scott mention the Category:User notice templates need to be reworked, I hope this can be discussed in open since this is no one-person-effort.

The goal is "How to reach a balance between the old message (which contains some of the factor from Transformers franchise) and the new version". As my knowledge, some of the current message boxes do need reworked, but other are not mean or unfriendly.

Seems this is very important (since if we don't?##########) and hope everyone can work on it. :) --TX55^TALK 16:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the templates should stay, but should only be applied to repeat offenders. Their first offense could be dealt with by reverting the edit and explaining their error in the edit summary, the templates should be applied at strike 2 or 3, 4 deserves a personal warning from administrative staff, 5 or more requires more drastic consequences. Of course, this is just a hypothetical solution and by no means should we limit our options. Furthermore, I think the front page should have a link to the rules and guidelines, done in large enough font that it is one of the most obvious links on the front page. I visit this sight two or three times a day, and even I still haven't figured out exactly where the policy page is, so you can imagine how an inexperienced user might not think to look for it, and thus make mistakes due to their unfamiliarity with the policies of this wiki. I also think that the discussion of a major edit to any article prior to its implication should be a firmly enforced obligation on the part of all users, regardless of status. your thoughts? Also, would it be possible to alter the edit function of the wiki such that a signature is automatically added at the end of each post on the discussion pages; we all sometimes neglect to sign our posts, and for those of us whom are expected to enforce the wiki's policies, such an error can be a little embarassing. Xeno the Hedgehog 17:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

The main page is one of the thing that need to be reworked. I used to post notice on the MediaWiki:Sitenotice, but seems not work out so well and is often got changed. As for the user templates, it is not only given by the admin, but also any users who know the basic stantard/policies/rule of the site.

And yes, Xeno has another point, some of the template should be given after many repeated mistakes by the certain user. And I admit I am too fast to give some users when I become the sysop to several months ago. --TX55^TALK 17:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the idea of keeping the templates for repeat offenders. Perhaps keeping the harsher ones for worse cases, with milder, friendlier ones used for the first template-warning? Jeep! 20:54, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Here come a good example. There are two ugly new pages today:

• Magnus Hammer‎ - poor contents with poor layout

We can give the user with a notice template.

• Worm-thing - the contents is nothing written but "peanut"

This serves the user a harsher template.

And I would like to state again, anyone can give other a user notice template as long as you are familiar with this site. It's one of the user rights. :) --TX55^TALK 01:03, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Cross Wiki Links

Hey, it's me agian, from linkin Park wiki. I was wondering seem how the band does the soundtacks for the film ataptation maybe we could bring our wikis together. Everything Transformers like names etc I will link to your pages and anything Linkin Park on your site will be linked to my wiki. For example On your page for the Transformers:Revenge of the Fallen you could link New Divide to Linkin Park wikis New Divide page and we will do the same for anything transformers. Is that ok? Chester Talk 08:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow, No problem at all. We'd be glad to see the pages from the site linked with your pages. ^^ --TX55^TALK 16:35, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I start linking soon, I am a little busy right now. Chester Talk 16:37, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

That's okay, I can understand since similar thing happens to me as well. (Ha ha.) And thanks for your proposal again. ;-D --TX55^TALK 16:44, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I Linked What I've Done to Transformers (Film) and New Divide to Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. Also I linked Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen from are main page! Chester Talk 17:09, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Eh? I have linked my pages to you, are you going to link to us? Chester Talk 15:55, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey man, I've just seen this now, guess it's been lost in the shuffle. I'm not up-to-speed on code, really, but if you could show me how to turn a link here into one pointing to the Linkin Park wiki, I'll whip up the links anywhere I can ifnd them. Jeep! 17:31, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Oops, I just saw the message too. I've created several [[w:c:linkinpark:page name]] in some pages, such as Linkin Park (of course), Transformers: The Album, Studio 4°C. --TX55^TALK 02:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Volunteers recruiting

Um, maybe some of you know that ROTF is premiere in Japan on June 8, 2009. So, I need some volunteer who is immune to the spoiler and can help to cleanup the new-added contents if they don't qualify the standards. Please, this is very important. Thanks a lot. ;-D --TX55^TALK 16:35, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Image name format policy

My God, I just find I forgot to mention this. In order to make the images easily to, um, identified, I would like everyone can upload file with a name format like the following:

• Character pic
  • franchise-character name-number or source.jpg
    • g1-optimusprime-mtmte.jpg
    • rotf-sideswipe-1.jpg
    • tf2007-brawl-cyberslammer-boxart.jpg
    • g1-broadside-mtmte1-1.jpg
    • g1-jetfire-sb1-cover1.jpg

• Screen capture
  • franchise-character name-epsodenumber-misc(number or simple description).jpg
    • tfa-optimusprime-s313-jethammer.jpg
      • or tfa-optimusprime-s314-1.jpg
    • mf-ginrai-mfa11-kabuki.jpg
      • mfa stands for Super-God Masterforce (anime), 11 for episode number
    • tf2007-bumblebee-film-1.jpg
    • rotf-thefallen-film-1.jpg

• Comic interior
  • franchise-character name-issue name-misc.jpg
    • g1-kup-ahm5-cigar.jpg

• Toy
  • franchise-character-toy-class-(number, if the pic contain only humanoid [1] or altmode [2]).jpg
    • rotf-sideswipe-toy-deluxe.jpg
    • rotf-wheelie-toy-deluxe-1.jpg

If anyone see this, please have a reply, thanks. ;-D --TX55^TALK 02:59, 8 June 2009 (UTC)