How tall is the fallen

I wanna know, since Megatron is about 38 feet tall, how tall is The Fallen is taller than the mighty Megatron how tall is he?

 Megs officially is 35 feet tall and The Fallen officially is 43 feet tall.
According to what source? And please, sign your posts from now on. Xeno the Hedgehog 01:38, September 6, 2009 (UTC)


The Fallen isn't in the teaser at all, so why do you think he can teleport?! --Vexza

Which one have you seen? In the second teaser, right after the scene where Optimus gets his faceplate smashed, a huge transformer suddenly appears out of a storm of fire and lightning. And if you manage to get a snapshot of that, you'll see him clearly burning like the G1 counterpart. :(His Wrath falls from the Heavens. :Starshade) 20:50, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I understand that now. I hadn't watched the HD trailer before and I though it was just a Decepticon or something exploding out from the ground. But the Fallen looks pretty sick in the snapshots. --Vexza


I edited the page, to make it less "OMFG TEH FALLEN PWNZORZ!!1" esque. MechaPrime 01:12, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


Why haven't we put anything about this guy's toy? You can find pics all over the place and there is even a review of a toy confirmed to be The Fallen on youtube! --Shredderman38 18:37, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Unrelated, but the picture of the Voyager toy has me wanting to make a joke about the first-wave Pretenders (that alt reminds me so much of Submarauder it's not even funny). I'm thinking "So, it turns into a folded-up robot? That's new." Jeep! 15:52, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


Why does this guy have a separate page form his War Within self? Simon Furman stated that The Fallen from The War Within: The Dark Ages would the villain of Transformers: ROTF at San-Diego Comicon, July 25, 2008. Also, the Thirteen Original Transformers are believed to be Multiversal Singularities. The Fallen appearing in the 2009 film could be presumed to be the same individual from the Dreamwave comics. I propose that this page be merged with the other The Fallen page, at least once the movie premieres in theaters to give us a solid answer. --Sabrblade 23:07, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Also it should be "Fallen (G1)" as per Help:Article types and titles on the use of "The" in article titles. --Tetrap 23:35, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
No, his name actually is "The Fallen." The article is part of it, just like The Who. --buttbutt 20:18, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
This 'The Fallen' is from a completely different continuity, so shouldn't he get a completely different page? --Vexza
The original 13 are multiversal singularities. --Tetrap 01:03, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Vote for merge after the premire of the movie and the publication of ROTF-related books. --TX55TALK 00:39, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
The two don't deserve to be merged any more than the different Optimus Primes do. They are from different continuities, so are obviously different characters if just because of that. -- Ngilford
No, they're not - that's what "multiversal singularity" means. One character, existing in different continuities. Same way that the Unicron in G1 is the same as the Unicron in A/E/C. He used to be in the G1 universe, then he got bumped over to the movie universe at some point. It's still the same individual, no matter where he shows up. --buttbutt 20:18, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Too bad they don't look anything alike, have different personalities, and the fallen is part of the seven primes and not the original thirteen. They only have the same name and a vaguely similar origin. --Lord Cthulhu
You're right, Cthulhu. But that doesn't change the fact that the Fallen is a multiversal singularity. That means this Fallen is THE multiversal Fallen, as confirmed by Simon Furman. Bold Clone 19:34, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
How does that stop someone from having the same name? Did the fallen loose a lot of weight for his appearance in the movie? --Lord Cthulhu
It seems this is not about the physical appearance at all, but their origins, which is very different, including the reason why they were called "The Fallen". --TX55TALK 15:27, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I heard a theory that goes like this: The 13 are multiversal singilarities. So, each time they die, they reappear in a different timeline, and if the continuity family if different enough, the Transformer would change appearance and make up an origin story as for how Transformer-kind was made. So therefore, say Primus made the 13 in the UT stories. The Fallen would have died and/or gone to G1 continuity, where he had the same shape, roughly. Then, after Primus killed him, the Fallen could have gone to the movieverse, picked a new form to match the continuity style, made a new origin with 6 other of the 13, and the rest is well-known. That seems to fit the requierments and makes sense, even though it's just speculation. Bold Clone 14:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Um, actually, The Thirteen were created in G1 continuity unless you are just saying "For example, ...". --TX55TALK 17:16, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Hmm...musta missed that...but yeah, I was using the UT as an example. Bold Clone 18:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
They are same character thanks to Hasbro's cracked-head idea. However, I vote for not merge and the reason is in The Fallen (multiversal sigularity)#Live-action continuity. --TX55TALK 15:21, 11 August 2009 (UTC) (Last answer)

Case closed.--Primestar3 (talk) 13:39, January 11, 2015 (UTC)

The Fallen and the Shredder?

it said that the Fallen's toy has a head like the Shredder. the Shredder from TMNT? it looks nothing like it... can someone clear that up?

It doesn't. It's a mix between the Decepticon symbol and the head of a pharoah. Yah, that's right; he has a fake Egyptian beard and a pharaoh's headdress (the vertical oval kind). (He doesn't actually have these, they are built into his head.) --Ngilford


I mentioned this before, but according to our own rules (at Help:Article types and titles) this should be called "Fallen (Movie)" with no leading "The". Does anyone have any objection to me moving this and the other Fallen articles to the right names? --Tetrap 21:53, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

That doesn't work either, since the article 'the' is a definate part of the title. Ideally it should be "Fallen, The (Movie)", but that sounds like it means something it shouldn't. I think what we have at the minute is the best compromise. Jeep! 22:06, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I'd disagree that "The" is part of his title. The official movie site capitalizes the title of the movie as "Revenge of the Fallen", not "Revenge of The Fallen". --Tetrap 23:02, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
In that case I'd wait to see the film, and how he's referred to in it - if he's repeatedly called 'The Fallen' then leave it, otherwise move it. However, the G1 incarnation does include the article as pasrt of his name, so definately don't move that. Jeep! 23:51, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
That sounds reasonable. I'd like to rename the Disambiguation page and give Fallen (Cybertron episode) equal time with the two characters though. --Tetrap 01:19, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Defeat and Death

The article mentions how Jetfire and Prime will combine to defeat the Fallen, and kill him by throwing him into Devastator's grinders. Where does this information come from?! Sounds like someone randomly guessing.

Its been a while since I've seen the movie. But doesn't he get run through with his own wpear by Optimus? User:Blitzwing899

Both of you are wrong: Optimus takes Jetfire's parts after he kills himself and rips off The Fallen's face with his own spear. He kills him by punching his fist through his chest, ripping out The Fallen's spark and crushing it. I've seen the movie three times, trust me I know.


Yo dude who runs this site fix your info Tony Todd is voicing the Fallen not Nimoy if you want proof it was confirmed that Todd was voicing a character in the movie a while back and officially proven when the movie premiered in Tokyo the other day you're welcome. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs).


To whoever created a new page for the movie-verse The Fallen. The idea of the movie-verse The Fallen being the same as the G1 The Fallen is pretty silly in and of itself.

It doesn't matter whether it's silly or not. They are the same multiversal character. Period. Bold Clone 16:52, 7 August 2009 (UT )

'Til the filmmakers and/or the folks at HasTak say otherwise, we're keeping them separate. Xeno the Hedgehog 20:03, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
[1] -- 14:40, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
Even though they're the same character? Bold Clone 14:31, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
It has been noted. --TX55TALK 16:10, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
I'm not convinced. you haven't provided any factual evidence to support your claims, and it's going to take more than childish insistence to get your point across. Until an official source blatantly says "this Fallen and that Fallen are one and the same", this wiki is assuming that they are two separate characters. To date, the Movieverse is the only transformers series that has not been crossed over with any other part of the franchise. Xeno the Hedgehog 18:57, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Even if they were the same character, I'd want them seperate. First, they're both sizeable articles already, a merge would be ugly as hell. Two, they both exist in their own continuities with many similarly-named characters, so a merge would just be a logistical nightmare for tracking which Megatron and which Optimus is meant to be which. Jeep! 18:54, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
"Why does this guy have a separate page form his War Within self? Simon Furman stated that The Fallen from The War Within: The Dark Ages would the villain of Transformers: ROTF at San-Diego Comicon, July 25, 2008."

What more do you need? That was said eariler on this talk page. Bold Clone 14:18, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

What more do I need? I need that you pay attention to a logical argument, is what I need. Jeep! 17:28, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
And I need you to pay attention to the fact that Simon Furman has said that the Fallen is a multiversal character. How illogical it is doesn't matter (although I agree with your arguments), the only thing that matters is that Simon Furman has overriden your opinion. Bold Clone 20:21, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
He doesn't override my opinion - nowhere has Furman stated that merging these two articles wouldn't look like a heap of shit. Galvatron is Megatron, but they have two separate pages. And so do both instances of The Fallen. Since merging it would be far too messy, they stay as they are. It's not a continuity issue, it's about good wiki-ing. Jeep! 20:52, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Does that mean Bumblebee (G1) should be split into Goldbug (G1)? I'm not even going to ask about Megatron (Armada)... -- 10:50, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
The section for just Goldbug would be pissy and small, as would individual entries for each Unicron Trilogy incarnation of the characters there. However, the articles for both instances of The Fallen are quite large. So I'm not merging them, or they'd combine to be probably the biggest article here on the wiki, for no real reason. We know they're a multiversal singularity, we don't need to give me editing headaches to prove it. Jeep! 14:54, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Megatron and The Fallen

Hey, you guys who wrote the page said that Megatron came into contact with The Fallen one day and was swayed into beleiving in The Fallens ideals and therefor starting the Decepticon Army. There is a flaw between what you say (which may come from the original series, I wouldnt know I never watched them, only the M. Bay films) and the Live Action Films (M. Bay)

The Films said that the first transformers to come to earth were all primes, which of course means that they were all brothers, as Prime is the surname. The Fallen is one of the original 7, and e.t.c. all the rest of the story. That of course means Optimus is a direct decendent as he has the surname Prime. But in the 1st Bay film, he refered to Megatron as his brother, and if im not mistaken, did so in one of the series of cartoons at one point. So does that mean that Megatron is a direct decendent of the Primes therefore of The Fallen, making the Decepticon army a family "business" shall we say? Or is it that when The Fallen became... well, The Fallen that he crossed out his geneology sorta thing? It confounds me and I would really appreciate an answer? Thanks.

BTW, my username for the Wikis is Fatalis-600 :)

Hmm. Maybe I should explain this using the director's method of story-telling. EXPLOSION! WHOOOOOSH! Basically, disregard any other continuity when examining something (in this example, we're looking at the live-action films, so only the two movies, the novelisations and the tie-in comics count for this continuity; ignore any other cartoons or comics that aren't directly related to the films) - which means, no cartoon equivalent of the characters actually counts towards this continuity. Also, I didn't watch Revenge of The Fallen, but I assumed that 'Prime' was a title, not a surname - can be inherited but doesn't necessitate familial relations. Optimus was designated a 'Prime', but Megatron held a different title, despite them being brothers. Lastly, it's Michael Bay, Roberti Orci, Ehrin Kruger and Alex Kurtzman. These men are responsible for "Bad Boys" (1 and 2), "Pearl Harbour", "The Island", "The Legend of Zorro", and "Reindeer Games." God damn "Reindeer Games". So I wouldn't expect it to be seamless, or even coherent. Jeep! 13:34, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Megatron and Optimus ARE brothers and because Optimus is a descendant of the 7 that makes Megatron Megatron Prime. I still don't understand why Megs wanted to become one a second time maybe he didn't have access to his powers? Oh and by the way I have seen the movie so I know a few things. 00:08, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

So have the rest of us, and we disagree. Optimus addressing Megatron as "brother" is ambiguous, as the word "brother" has numerous possible contexts. It can be familial, or it can mean a comrade, associate, friend, confidant, ally, or another close acquaintance of some kind. Xeno the Hedgehog 01:51, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

X Men

If there was a 4th X Men movie with the villan Apocalypse in it, I could imagine him looking like the Fallen in ROTF.-- 20:36, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

-- 01:49, January 2, 2010 (UTC)Who the hel wrote that thing with him looking like a Skrall? He can talk, he can look up, with other words, he are them superior in every way! -- 01:49, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Bad choice

Why did they put The Fallen in when they could have easily put Unicron?

Megatronus Prime

When was it confirmed that his original name was Megatronus Prime in this continuity?Takhamavahu 07:48, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

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