Talk: Size changing

Subspace is canon now thanks to Binaltech... 69.14.158.214 23:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Before we incorporate it, could we have a link to the specific citation? --ItsWalky 00:30, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

"The "life force" that is the source of a TF's life is propagated through its entire body by a "laser core," which is at the center of a force field. The GT System separately contains this laser core outside the body in subspace storage"

http://bwtf.com/binaltech/smokescreengt/booklet.shtml

But that doesn't have anything to do with size changing. --ItsWalky 15:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but the wording makes it seem that every thing about Subspace is un-official, when we know that some aspects of it are indeed official.

Also, what about when Transformers materialize things in their hands from thin air with a flash of light? Like in "Plague of Insecticons", Kickback makes a gun appear in his hand with a bright flash of energy. In the season 3 bumpers, Blurr does the same thing with his gun. I'm sure there are other examples. Anyway to explain that away? "Subspace" or thereabouts seems to be the best explanation. --DrSpengler 00:24, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Those are already addressed in the Fandom explanations section, at the bottom. --ItsWalky 00:30, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Scale

Scale is linked to multiple times in this article. Is this a mistake, or intentional, meant to hammer in a point? --Sntint 10:39, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Possible explanation?

I have no reference to back it up, but I am very sure that I read an explanation for the size changing in the Marvel Comics waaay back when. It was in the letters page and someone had asked how Soundwave could be both small enough to be a cassette player and also big enough to hold Megatron as a gun and fire him. The "explanation" given was that they released a "sort of gas" which shrank their molecular structure - totally impossible, obviously. Can anyone back this up? I used to get the comics in the late eighties. 216.239.212.187 07:43, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Did you mean

Did you mean in the sense of overall or all-encompassing when writing the following: " ill-defined holistic transformations" ?ChoHIlqoq 21:17, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Size shifting hypothetically breaking the fourth wall

Suppose, for the sake of argument, size shifting were to break the fourth wall, instead of the character explicitly changing size relative to the surrounding environment. For example, suppose we have G1 Megatron and G1 Starscream standing beside each other, with Megatron standing just slightly closer to the foreground. Now suppose that Megatron strangles Starscream, as he did in the show, and then proceeds to transform into his gun mode, with roughly equal proportions to his robot mode. Finally, suppose Starscream then proceeds to reach toward the viewer...and pluck Megatron from the foreground, as though he had always been the size of a handgun that transformers could utilize. Now, another scenario. Suppose Huffer and Hoist are standing beside each other, as were Megatron and Starscream in the previous example. They high-five, and Huffer transforms into his alt mode of roughly equal proportions to his robot mode. Hoist then proceeds to run toward the background and hop inside Huffer's passenger compartment, as though Huffer had always been large enough to accommodate his bulk. There are countless others that I could probably list; Galvatron and Cyclonus, triple changers (specifically Astrotrain and Broadside), Combiners, Soundwave and the Cassettes, etc. Would such a scenario be more convincing than the size-shifting present in the earlier shows, or would it be less convincing?

As for Astrotrain,

I thought that Astrotrain changes from regular-sized robot mode to gigantic space shuttle mode, because it is hollow inside the shuttle,and his body parts fold out to make the inside hollow, and to make it look bigger, so there is room for the Decepticons to go inside. How does that sound? bumblebee prime!!!!!

That would mean the walls of his shuttle form were paper thin, and the squabble over who would take over as leader (after Starscream tossed Megatron out the airlock) would have torn him apart from the inside. Xeno the Hedgehog 18:22, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Maybe the walls size-change to be thicker once he transforms, so he doesn't get ripped apart. bumblebee prime!!!!!

With what extra mass? if a "normal size" robot stretches its mass far enough to accommodate several other Decepticons with as much interior room to spare as there was, there would be NOTHING LEFT to reinforce those walls; if your theory were true, he would have collapsed under the weight of one Decepticon, nevermind that even if he didn't he'd never have been able to get off the ground, and even if he could, he'd have burned up before he broke the stratosphere. I'm sorry, but there's no right answer when attempting to explain mass-shifting, because it doesn't seem to abide by the laws of physics. Xeno the Hedgehog 18:48, 23 July 2009 (UTC)