Talk: Robots in Disguise (franchise)

CR vs MB

That section sure is... black and white. There are a lot of other reasons Beast Machines went the way of eek, but they're not addressed here. (For example, the final folding of Kenner into Hasbro.) Also, all US fans rejoiced when RiD was announced? Like hell. Scores of people were pissed that now everything they imported for twice US retail was now going to be brought over domestically. Another group of peoplwere were pissed it was nothing but "repaints" for a year. And then they were pissed even more when the cartoon turned out to be not exactly Babylon Five. "The US fandom rejoiced" is way oversimplified. I think that section needs some heavy moderation. --ItsWalky 15:24, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

RID rox, BM sux!!!1

"Many fans were paying hand over foot for imports of the Japanese line, all the while complaining about the poor quality of the Beast Machines line and show"

"Couple that with an all new 10-changer, Beast oriented, Gigatron and you had the making of the first new millenium Transformers series, one that combined the best from everything before it into one."

I think those two statements of opinion also need to be edited or eliminated.

Shellspark 16:49, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. The fandom complaining about the quality of the current line and buying imports from Japan is not a phenomenon exclusive to Beast Machines. It is merely the status quo. --ItsWalky 16:52, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

It seems that most of the opinion-laden statements were made by a single anonymous poster. I'd actually advocate just reverting back to MSipher's last version.--G.B. Blackrock 17:01, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

"yuk yuks"

I edited out the part that said the DVDs don't play in "real DVD players". Some of these jokes are dumb and misleading. I'm all for fun, but why litter this encyclopedia with it? It there a rule with this wiki that says writers have to put jokes in? Crockalley 14:37, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Crockalley -- actually, yes. It's unwritten but it's the way things are done around here, especially in photo captions. Take out the funny and we've got nothing over any other TF resource. Well, we do tend to specialize in absolutely obscure arcana too. But seriously, read the wiki for a while to get the feel for the place; you'll find that the jokes don't interfere--there's simply so much built-in ludicrousness in the Transformers universe/fiction/toyline! And sure, some jokes are nerdy. Learn to embrace your inner nerd. :) One of us...One of us... But it's also true that it must be possible to distinguish a joke from legit info, so you do have be somewhat careful. Autobus Prime 14:44, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Then you might want to change this page Introduction

"Teletraan-1 does not contain opinionated reviews, only facts."

I'm not going to run around making wild changes here, but this humorous slant goes against my understanding of what a wiki should be. Plus I'm grumpy this morning. Sorry. Gooble gobble Crockalley 14:59, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Eh, i wrote the 'real dvd players' crack, I expected someoen (probably McFeely) would remove it. It was a gentle poke at Region-2, nto really much of a tf joke at all. I shall not mixx it. -Derik 18:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I contemplated replacing it with "lame Yank DVD players," but I thought yours was funnier. :) - Chris McFeely 19:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I object to Autobus Prime's assertions on the purpose of region encoding. IIt has nothign to do with piracy, it has everythign to do with allowing copyright holders to sell the rights multiple times. (This is, mind a good thing. If the regions were not broken down, a production company wishing to produce a version of The Soudn of Music subbed in, say, Tagalog, would have to purchae worldwide rights to do so, which is ten kinds of stupid. Breaking the rights down into smaller regional chunks makes those rights affortable for amll markets-- an overall benefit to customers.) I admit I find region encoding aannoyign as hell, but there's also clear benefits to it. (I try not to hold unconsidered opinions.) -Derik 03:15, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Sideways

Curiosity: How does "Takara asserts that CR is RID" connect to "RID Sideways is UT Sideways"? I'm not doubting that they are the same character, I just don't understand what Takara has to do with it. --Crockalley 00:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Takara produced some nifty bio's for their Robotmasters characters, saying both who they are, and where they first appeared. Robotmasters Doubleface said he was ARM Doubleface- and listed his first appearance as Car Robots. This is a reference to RiD sideways. -Derik 01:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, thank you. --Crockalley 12:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Logo placement

I'm fine if everyone likes this better than the last way, but I think the big white space above the reletively small logo is really rather ugly and awkward looking. At least with the logo off to the left we loose the big white nothing at the top and things are symetrical. Anyone have any other ideas to make things work better?--ZacWilliam 15:17, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Big... white space? Oh, DEAR GOD... I just tried my version in MSIE and can now see what you are complaining about. I don't know what the hell IE is doing, but my other browsers don't have that gap:

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/5183/clipboard1qj0.jpg Also I didn't realize the nav tables have horrible white gaps between cells in IE. These are both style issues that I guess I'll try to fix that at some point... although Derik is more capable than I at that sort of thing. Maybe he can fix it. --Steve-o 16:03, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm confused about what exactly people are objecting to. (I'm also confused as to why those blank lines were inserted after the logo.) I do see the table problem though- THAT is hard to miss.

Can I get a comparative IE/Firefox screencap so I can see exactly what you mean? -Derik 20:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Original picture (from Opera, I think, but it's almost identical in Firefox), and IE picture. Those are of the same revision (although one was on a diff page and the other was just the old version page, hence the different headers before the page content starts). This is that revision in case you want to test with it. --Steve-o 04:45, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Firewall's mug

...Wait, what? I realize that it's TFW2005's logo, but their logo is RID Prime's phiz. Chip 04:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

More or less. TFW2005's pic changes the antennaes into giant headphones with tiny silver antennas coming out the sides. Firewall's mug, though, totally shows Fire Convoy, as evidenced by the fact the he has Fire Convoy's antennas and not TFW2005 Guy's headset. --Detour 05:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

RiD Prime's head does NOT have the cylindrical "ear muffs" + separate antenna rods that either the TFW2005 logo or that mug have. --ItsWalky 05:51, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Well it's got yellow eyes like Fire Convoy, and while it has the earmuffs everything else about it is Fire Convoy. And those antenna rods are too big to be those tiny silver ones on TFW2005 Bot... And he also lacks the wraparound piece going around its head. Hence it looks more like Fire Convoy than it does TFW2005 Bot. --Detour 06:07, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I really disagree that it looks more like Fire Convoy than TFW2005 Bot. It's the TFW2005 logo doodled at extremely small size on a tiny mug, where putting in the details you claim aren't there would be ridiculous. And even at that scale, the ears are completely different from Fire Convoy. Claiming Firewall has a RiD Prime mug on this page is irresponsible. --ItsWalky 14:38, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

For me, I would just say that "There is a head looks like a miscolored head of Fire Convoy on the cup." instead of "There is a head of Fire Convoy on the mug cup." due to the difference between the Head and Fire Convoy in order to reduce different opinions, unless the artist of the picture say "It is Fire Convoy's head" some day. --TX55 06:20, 31 October 2007 (UTC)