Maybe we should put all the "nots" and "nos" in italics so it seems more obvious for the people who, well.... TransRyan 20:46, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I know, I tagged it as that, and TX55 told me that I'd ruined the page, so I removed the tag, and somebody puts that back up, and I bet they didn't get a message like that!!!-- 12:54, 16 June 2009 (UTC)Razorstrike

Rimmer theme captions

Does anyone have any idea what a good quote for this page would be, to keep the Rimmer theme?KrytenKoro 09:54, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's not Rimmerific, but I was thinking it would be good to use some play on the "no clone army...definitely no clone army...absolutely no clone army in this show" line from BotCon. After all, what better sums up a clone of Starscream that always lies? (and yes, I know it was sarcasm in the first place, thenkyew - that doesn't make it thematically inappropriate) Buttbutt 04:19, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
That would be awesome. Could you upload a picture for that?KrytenKoro 01:42, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

All the Starscream clones' main pictures (plus a relevant picture on the Starscream (Animated) page) are Rimmer-captioned. Therefore, this one should be too. - SanityOrMadness talk page 16:37, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Colour Scheme Thoughts

Could it be possible that this Screamer is a nod to the Shattered Glass Starscream? Granted, the colours are slightly different; but when watching the episode that was the first thing that popped to this user's mind. Lunarius 07:42, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Lack of real visual similarity say no. —Interrobang 07:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Hrm, alright. Thanks :D Lunarius 07:54, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

This page

This article is hilarious. It's better than the Wheelie article. It should win some kind of award.--some guy 19:50, 3 July 2008 (MST)

Indeed. It's brilliant. Bravo, editors, bravo.--Inevitable Betrayal 02:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

This is bullshit! Like that horrible dub of Headmasters! I hate lying articles!! YEEESSSSS!!!!!!!--RayxCreamMaker 8:52 PM, July 11, 2008 (EST)

I'm not glad to see everyone doesn't like what partially I didn't do! This article shouldn't become featured EVER! XD Not Steve 15:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm not saying that! I just don't like the lying part of the article....WHICH IS PRACTICALLY THE ENTIRE ARTICLE!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't think this is the best page on the wiki! I didn't say this is not my favorite page on the wiki! you can't prove that!

No Clone Army/Judas-Jonathan

Amusing as it has been to see these captions ping-pong for the last week or so, I grow weary of it. I take it there's some merit to either caption, so I'm polling for consensus; the loser gets to be the caption of the inevitable toy recolor or subsequent fiction re-appearance.

I vote for "No Clone Army." -Derik 01:58, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like a good compromise. I also vote "no clone army" as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SFH (talkcontribs).
I have no idea what that Judas-Jonathan one is about. All I know is it sucks, and the "No clone army" thing is incredibly funny and totally works with the overall tone of Liar Starscream's page. So yeah. To hell with the Judas thing. --Detour 02:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I think it's a Red Dwarf reference, but that's just been the impression I picked up, it could be wrong. -Derik 02:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Never heard of it, and whatever it is, it's not as clever or appropriate as "no clone army." --Thylacine 2000 02:07, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Google, people, sheesh! It's a Red Dwarf quote, apparently part of a long rant describing how slimey a particular character is. While I appreciate the obliquity of the quote's appropriateness, I think the "no clone army" one wins for sheer comprehensibility. That said, I think it'd be much more fitting on the main image for Starscream clone. -- Repowers 02:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Repowers speaks the truth. The 'Judas-Jonathan' quote comes from a speech by Lister on Rimmer's character. I think the RImmer captions suit the Starscream clones, because RImmer himself exhibited those same characteristics - cowardice, megalomania, lying and bootlicking. And the quote for the Female Starscream comes from a Red Dwarf ep which featured a female Rimmer. I think the Rimmer captions should stay. The 'no clone army' works much better for the Starscream clone article.
Besides, just because you don't get a caption doesn't mean you have to remove it. I don't get the 'goth talk' bit from Blackarachnia's article, but am I complaining? Bring back the Rimmer captions! It's the highlight of my week to see them there. Bobpiecheese 02:23, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I think the speaking-truth-by-blatantly-lying "No clone army" (which is apparently a quote from the Botcon 2008 panels) certainly fits the liar better- and while I can see why it'd make sense on the Starscream Clone article- I think it's just about perfect here. I prefer that quote (I might prefer the RD one if I'd seen RD... but I haven't...) and I think its connection to TF gives it an edge. -Derik 02:47, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Let it be known that I support discarding "Rimmer", whatever the hell it is, and keeping the "clone-army" quote. Galvanisation 10:05, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Shhh... nerds are supposed to be ashamed of not having seen Red Dwarf or Blakes 7. It's like not having seen Babylon 5! Do not advertise your nerdy deficiencies! -Derik 10:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
You forgot failing to read/listen to that utterly remarkable book, the Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy :) - SanityOrMadness talk page 21:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for that explanation; I was originally against the Rimmer ref, but that was before I knew that it was a running gag throughout the clone articles. I think it's kind of amazing that the single rant (plus a female-Rimmer line) can apply so aptly, and it fits with our spirit of multi-article jokes, so I vote for that.... as long as all the main-pic captions are Rimmer. Lose one, and the whole gag falls apart, as far as I'm concerned. - Jackpot 15:03, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
As might be expected since I'm one of the ones who reverted, I'm wih Bobpiecheese. Keep the Rimmer theme going - the "Clone Army" one should go on the main Clones page with the picture of the hundreds of clones. - Reboot 16:35, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
While I generally approve of having Rimmer captions, for this particular character I think "No clone army" is the ideal quote. It does screw up the theme, but them's the breaks. -- Greenygal 13:49, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Fairly obviously, keep the Rimmer theme going. - SanityOrMadness talk page 21:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I LIKE Red Dwarf, but I vote against it in the Liar's case. The "no clone army" is way, way, way, way, WAY more fitting. --M Sipher 21:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

How about a compromise: we keep the 'no clone army' for the main image, but the next image that's added to the article should have a Rimmer-related caption. How about that?
I believe that's exactly what we're weighing our votes for. Liar is sure to either reappear or get a toy eventually. -Derik 12:07, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, is the second caption in the article also a Rimmer quote? --Professor Icepick 15:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

No, it's a Monty Python quote (actually, the wording there is slightly different - but the Pythons have rerecorded most of their popular sketches at least once, so the wording in the quote's probably been used at some point). - SanityOrMadness talk page 17:18, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Ah, thanks for the clarification. I thought it seemed like it came out of some British comedy. --Professor Icepick 17:21, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

"Fiction Area"

Maybe you should change the "fiction" header to read "fact" instead. After all, we all know what the opposite of fiction is! 04:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

And I'm certainly not suggesting we change the Trivia section to Vital Information as well. Felancer Prime 11:59, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I feel like there's a point at which the joke annihilates the usefulness of the article. This one's gimmick happens to straightforward, so it's not very hard to parse... but it's balancing right on the edge of being in need of the seldom used de-snarking template. I don't think you can burden it with any more snark without rendering it incoherent. -Derik 13:42, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I happen to agree with this Derik fellow. (is Derik a real word?) We need to keep the titles of sections as they normally would be, and just have the text written in lie-format. And to keep it all understandable, let's stop putting our comments here in lie-form. I realize I did this before, but it might get kinda tricky to understand when we're lying and when we're not. Not Stevecomplain hereThe Big Book 19:19, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

"Animated Cartoon"

Could we change 'Animated cartoon' to 'not-Animated movie'?

In theory, yes, we could, but we won't be doing that. --M Sipher 02:36, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Why do these pages keep getting hammered by edits? Everything there was to be said about the clones was said in the first day or so. Is the finale still premiering some places? And why this one in particular singled out for attention? :~( -Derik 02:39, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Because it's the most boring character and gimmick on the entire wiki.KrytenKoro 02:44, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Because dogpiling a joke into a fine powder is easier than actually CONTRIBUTING. This is one of the reasons I like the humor here. It's a nice measuring stick to see who's going to be worth a fuck to us... plus helps prove why there won't be much competition once we move. --M Sipher 02:47, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
I didn't say it was a good idea to do it - just why people are doing it.KrytenKoro 05:08, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Image heavy?

Anyone else think there's a few too many pictures here for the length of the article? I'd trim one but since I don't watch Animated I don't really know which ones are more important than others. Just seems too cluttered overall. Jeep! 02:05, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it does look a bit image heavy. But maybe we could keep all these images if the first, huge one was reduced in size a bit, just to give a little more room. --Sabrblade 02:50, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Liar's Identity

I was reading an interview with Derrick Wyatt, and he seems to confirm that Liar Starscream is indeed Ramjet. (Derrick Wyatt Inerview) This, and the white body, black face, white helmet, and burgundy wings would indicate that Liar is officially Ramjet. Thoughts? --Joolander 03:53, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

He didn't confirm it, he said "Okay, you can [call him Ramjet] if you want to, I won't say you are wrong." he didn't flat out say that it was Ramjet. Still, I would agree that Ramjet is an appropriate name, but until we get a straight answer to the question, it'll have to wait. Xeno the Hedgehog 04:04, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough. But can we at least have in the article that his colors are based on Ramjet? Because as it stands right now, the article indicates that he's an homage to G1 Jetfire. Which is definitely not the case --Joolander 04:30, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable to me; considering that Jetfire already has a reference.Xeno the Hedgehog 06:53, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Considering that his name has finally been confirmed as "Ramjet", shouldn't this article be moved to Ramjet (Animated)? Xeno the Hedgehog 17:32, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I should say so. It's about damn time they all have names.--KaotikusNemesis 00:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
If and only if his name has been confirmed officially, move it. Otherwise he stays here. Jeep! 21:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
And it hasn't yet. It won't be until the AllSpark Almanac is released publically, as his name will be Ramjet in that book (as Jim Sorenson said). But since that book isn't out yet, the name stand s as the "Liar Starscream". --Sabrblade 01:26, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

nature of the article

I realize the article is meant to portray the Liar's speech pattern, but I think it sounds more like "opposite day on crack" than lies. tone it down a bit. It should sound more like denial than the complete opposite. Xeno the Hedgehog 13:04, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree, I can't understand any of this, I tagged it as Excessivesarcasm, so yeah.

Agreed. The tag keeps getting removed but this article makes overkill look tame. Jeep! 01:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Jibber Jabber

I whnt liar starscream to become ramjet because the rest of his clones have names.

I want to have sex with Charlotte Gainsbourg. I ain't happening yet. Jeep! 03:35, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced discussion

Can someone please put Ramjet as his name

Any citations yet? When the Allspark Almanac is released and it actually says 'Ramjet' you won't need a citation, but til then...Dchallofjustice 13:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Automated transfer of Problem Report #23029

The following message was left by Anonymous via PR #23029 on 2009-06-08 22:52:17 UTC

His name should be Ramjet instead of the liar

i don´t think

it was a good idea to put just exactly the opposite as it happened, this is extreme sense of humor so i think you should put lies on a few parts not in the whole article

--SCVNGR 01:22, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

"He did however collect 200 dollars"

That is far too random and it is not notable at all. Please remove it this moment.

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