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I am proposing that we split Optimus Prime's toy section off into a separate article - "See list of Optimus Prime (G1) toys" or something equivalent, as Wikipedia does. The article as a whole is really long and is only going to get longer, and it seems like a logical place for a split. Thoughts? --Monzo 11:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

As long as I get to create it, since I largely wrote the toy section myself. You're not stealing my pointless Internet Glory, you jerkfaces. You have the faces of several jerks! --FFN 12:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I vote Optimus Prime (G1) toys, rather than List of X. --ItsWalky 16:28, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
A disambig prior to the end of the article? That's crazy-talk!
(Of course, the alternative is Optimus Prime toys (G1), which is just plain wrong.) - 16:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Shall I create the new article now? I think its moot if Walky (an admin) votes in favour of it. --FFN 16:32, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Alright, I made the G1 Prime toy article anyway, since scrolling down to make edits in the big Prime page is annoying, and I always need to check to see how pics I use in one section affect the section before or after. --FFN 16:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Old crap

I vote that we keep this article blank untill the last possible moment

This isn't a democracy, X-BoB. It's the Internet. You fail at wiki.

I think this article should be done as soon as possible. Because of, y'know its massive importance and stuff. BeastWarrior 08:12, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't we refeare to Optimus Prime as Convoy in the articles on the JPN shows?

Sentenial Prime shouldn't be in the first paragraphs, as he's not in all contuities JMO-X-BoB58

It warrants discussion - after all, he is the most powerful of the Go-Bots...

  • save that for Bayformers.

Dreamwave Continuity

The article says: "Optimus Prime started life as Optronix (Orion to his friends)"

Does anyone have an issue reference for this (the Orion part)? I admit that my DW knowledge isn't too great, but I don't recall this.--G.B. Blackrock 15:16, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

It's from the Keepers Trilogy. -Derik 17:03, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

That explains it, then. I don't really consider the Keepers Trilogy as canon, never having bothered to read it. However, since it is official, it's appropriate here.--G.B. Blackrock 17:33, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Cannon's a touch call witht he Keepers Trilogy. The Optronix thing, for isntance, was originalyl drafter for Optimus Prime's MtMtE profile (IIRC) but the MTMTE thing was drasticly re-tooled midway through, and so it didn't make it intot he entry-- but apparently Scott Ciencen had access to a draft of it which he used for Prime's backstory.
As for the Keepers Trilogy's overall continuity... it doesn't mesh any WORSE than the first Dreamwave mini-series. (Faint praise though that be.) Plus it made some definite motions to align itself mroe closely to the comcis co ntinuity at the endof the 3rd book. ...and if I remember my timeline right, Superion's head showed up in Anihilation before it would have been written into TF#0. -Derik 00:34, 21 April 2006 (UTC)


"Auntie" was, so far as I know, not an acronym. As well, it was definitely the name for the Ark's computer in the US, so I removed the italics as I didn't think those events/reasonings were UK-specific.

As well, the Intraformers competition is not from the UK - it's from Sureshot's Transformers: Universe profile. But as I didn't look it up yet, I wasn't sure if I should un-italize the mention of "before he was named Optimus Prime" that's mentioned with it. --Monzo 03:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Marvel continuity, from the intraformers sharpshooting competition arose, never had a 'pre optimus Prime.' He was always just Optimus Prime. (And was called such even when a junior officer, as seen in the Underbase saga.)
Optimus Prime was a gifted athlete beginning to study for a medical profession when the war broke out. Presumably the shooting competition was part of Prime's athlete days- shooting is an Olympic sport after all. (Well,part of one.)
If you want to split the difference on the entry, I suggest changing 'before he was named Optimsu Prime' to either before the war began or before the war began in earnest. The latter is only loosely justified by the text of comics continuities (the city-ststes had standaign armies and apparently fought- the great games were suppsoed to be a formalized sublimation of this) but it does have the marit of fitting well with War Dawn (and thus fits the new post* continuities which've come along that smosh both continuities together) without actually being wrong in the context of its original occourence. -Derik 03:26, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
And it's not like civilians don't do shooting sports as a hobby or anything. -hx 04:12, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Beast Wars Primal

Do we want to include the BW Bat Primal and the first MUNKY Primal as toys of Prime? In all one piece of media Bat Primal appeared in, he was definintly Prime with a new name, and the same can be said for Ultra MUNKY's specs. I can't remember if it's been brought up before, but if it has, I can't find it.

It's been a topic of discussion, but I think most of it has kept to IRC so far. The red/blue "Convobat" from Japan may even have text on the back that says it's the original Prime, and the purple alligator Megatron that came with it has text that mentions a Walther P38, but we haven't pursued further translation. --ItsWalky 00:56, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Actually, we did, and it specifically says on both of them that they used to have those modes and are now animals. The problem, of course, is whether that makes them any more "really" Prime and Megatron than the US versions, or for that matter the Ultra toys in either country. Remember that Japan didn't even get a yes-or-no on whether they were the same guys until Metals. My personal preference would probably be to consider all of them Primal and BW Megs toys, despite how much I want the CD guys to be the G1 characters, or else we get into a bizarre continuum of "bat is Prime/ape is both/TM is Primal" which is confusing and not helpful, I think. -LV 01:44, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Kiss Players

This bio says the EDC was bringing Convoy's remains from the battle of Autobot City. I hadnt' seen this in any of the other stuff i read, so could someone confirm that for me? -Derik 04:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

That info was put in by Swift, who seriously knows his Kiss Players stuff. --ItsWalky 06:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you Walky. To express my gratitude, I shall try to be less of a dumbass in the future. -Derik 07:56, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that reputation, but I suppose I brought it on myself. And yeah, lots of KP story material places it as a direct follow-up to the movie.--Swift 16:39, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Follows the movie- but not trying to be compatale with season 3, right? -Derik 16:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Wait, naughty-surfer Marissa Fairborne. That was a stupid question. I recind it! -Derik 16:56, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I think it helps that Japanese season 3 takes place 4 years after this, since it's all up in 2010 instead of 2006. --ItsWalky 17:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Oh, right, I forgot, the 5-years-in-which-Daniel-does-not-appear-to-age. That DOES change things. -Derik 18:45, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
They do seem to be taking pains to make it all sort of fit in. Hot Rod's backstory says he gave up the Matrix and reverted from Rodimus, too. --Swift 19:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


MSTF running gag. "First darkness... then... light... then, pudding, I don't know why." Since then, PUDDING has come up in regards to Prime a bit frequently. --M Sipher 00:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Parody trivia

I don't think we should include in trivia (or anywhere else) all statements done in all the parody. I know the family Guy Jewish Prime is notorious, but if we start including that, we should as well mention Prime turned a movie for prostate cancer prevention. I think canon is difficult enough to determine by itself. Also, if we had to seriously think about Optimus's religious orientation, he is most probably a Primus believer. Unless being Jewish for a transformers is about not believing Rodimus Prime is the new Primus incarnation, but in that case, most of the Transformers are probably Jewish.

... who the fuck put that in there? The idea of Family Guy being TF canon has made me physically ill, thank you. --M Sipher 23:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Does an IDW interview count? Apparently Optimus' cheekbones are not as hard to draw as David Tennant's. Self-Parody?

Agreed. -hx 00:02, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

John Wayne & Abe Lincolln

The David Wise interview on the Kid Rhino DVD's includes a fairly lengthy tangent on why he thinks Optimus Prime was the greatest of the 80's bumper crop of heroic characters, where he says that it's because Prime is a mash-up of Lincoln's ideals and John Wayne's methodology. He was discussing RoOP (which he didn't write) but this comparison seems to be 'about' his work in season 2. Thing is, I couldn't tell- is the Wayne-Lincoln thing Wise's way of looking at Prime? Something the Sunbow writers room had synthesized by the time season 2 was ramping up? (Prime was much blander in season 1...) Or was it always part of his character? The original character bios of Prime have it in spades- was there a margin-note that Budinsky (or whoever) jotted down somewhere for Prime 'John Wayne + Lincoln' that other writers followed, or did this realization/synthesis come later?

Tom Pope has a fascinating theory on heroes and societies, and it caught my eye that he thinks the most recent set of heroic archetypes (they come in pairs,) were Wyatt Earp and Lincoln. I see Tom on occasion, and I think he'd get a kick out of the Optimus Prime thing, but I want to get it right. -Derik 19:19, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Cartoon section confusion

I was advised against segmenting G1 Soundwave's article to reflect his appearance in the Madman comic as it would be a bad trend of splitting established continuities every time a new story or dubious retcon emerges. After viewing the cartoon section of this page, I can see what JW means, because I couldn't tell what the hell was going on. Why are the Japanese comics (even if they are set within their alternate cartoon continuity) directly inserted between G1 Season 1/2 and the 1986 Movie? And then the Teletraan Go Go and Kiss Players crap in between the movie and Season 3/4, which, funnily enough, also uses the Japanese 2010 title, which, as far as I know, we have never used as I am so often reminded that this is a American Transformers wiki. As it stands, the cartoon section of arguably the most important character on this wiki is very confusing. --FFN 18:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Ichh, didnt see this talk post and talked about this on the Soundwave talk page... yeah, I'm all agreeing with this, and stuff. As the American and Japanese animated continuities have just recently become very different animals as a result of all the extra stuff that's been jammed into the Japanese timeline lately, I'm more in favour of "American animated continuity" and "Japanese animated continuity" being two separate headers. I did this with Ultra Magnus recently (I remember between posts!), and I think it's the tidiest way of representing the information. I'm not doing anything this evening, so I might take a crack at re-working Prime's page to see what we all think... - Chris McFeely
A lot of the stuff on Optimus Prime's page is a product of the wiki's very early work. When Japanese/English stuff gets this crazy, it should be separated accordingly. --ItsWalky 22:26, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Roight, I've taken a stab at reorganizing it all. What say we all? - Chris McFeely 23:32, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks man, I forgot all about this as I was blocking out the mess of this page from my mind. I think we should have some sort of 'review' policy where we check articles that were created in full in 2006 to see if they still adhere to our current requirements. --FFN 20:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


Any other weapon he uses other than his standard Rifle?(MARV 2000 23:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC))

Does his Furmanisms count? --MistaTee 15:17, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Depends on the continuity. In Stormbringer he uses bunches and bunches of weapons. JW 15:49, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Of course in IDW he immediately upgrades himself to the Earth situation by removing most of his firepowers. --The Blue Spider 17:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Well... he is in infiltration mode and maybe those weapons are harder to hide. I'm making that up but it sounds good.—Starfield 16:25, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Ihat axe he sometimes replaces his right hand with is my personal favorite. It's really a great weapon to match Megatron's energon mace. --Teletroid 11:13, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Why is TFWiki now referring to the original Optimus Prime's weapon as an "Ion" Something in many articles, now? --The Blue Spider 17:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

According to the Prime toy page, it was called a "Laser Rifle" until Masterpiece Prime, at which point it was called an "Ion Blaster" --MistaTee 19:26, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


Just curious but is a plural version of his name Optimuses or Optimi? Proconix

"Optimuses", per Megatron (BW). JW 15:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


Big Red Truck

I reverted it back to those edits - what can I say, I think they're funny? They don't really disrupt and they don't take any info out. Shawn (talk) 03:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

This is not how wiki is meant to be, little "jokes" or funny bits just turn the whole transformers thing into a joke. there is no need for this it creates a childishness to the transformers, while i understand that the transformers were originally created for children those children are now adults and i hope most of us do not like the jokes. Transformers Wiki is meant to me informational not parody. (NJH)

Where does the the Trailer go?

So what happens to G1 Prime's trailer when he transforms? It sort of disappears for no reason at all and when he changes back into Truck mode it comes out of nowhere. Where and what is it doing during all that time?

Hell if I know. Probobly getting coffee :P Samusiscool3 talk{ROLLBACKAH} 19:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


Trying to find my user name so don't want to edit this in unsigned. I noted that Pipes' article has his patent notes linked. Here's G1 Optimus' if anyone wants to add to the appropriate article,M1 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs).


Who put in the picture of prime smokeing? WTF!! HYLIAN FURY 20:04, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Err... never mind thats not what i thought it was. HYLIAN FURY 20:07, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Can we add a games section?

He has appeared in quite a few games, even in Rise of the Dark Spark. it would at least be noteworthy. Wouldn't it?--PAX (talk) 03:59, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

You know, based on my history, I would really like permission before adding a games section to this article.--PAX (talk) 02:37, October 1, 2014 (UTC)

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