Talk:Omega Supreme (TFA)

Was this rename really justified? As someone who was at that panel, Isenberg said the ship wasn't the Ark, but Derrick Wyatt insisted it was, and last year Hasbro said it was too. --Thylacine 2000 05:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

• Plus, didn't they say the ship's name in the very first episode? Jedi Wolf 16:44, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

The more I see this the more I hate it. As I mentioned, there is no actual reason for the name change: Seibertron's account is misleading. The original person who made the change should have put it up for discussion ahead of time; God knows we went back and forth enough about "Galvatron's (mother)ship". The current title is inferior and should be changed back. Does anyone DISAGREE with that, and if so, based on what? --Thylacine 2000 17:42, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Do we have anything in canon calling this ship "the Ark"? —Interrobang 06:16, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Not within the series, just like there's nothing in the series calling the 'con ship Nemesis. It all came from Hasbro in '07. --Thylacine 2000 13:47, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

The Decepticon ship being the Nemesis has a bit more confirmation than that now, as seen in the bit of the new Animated comic script that was released here. --KilMichaelMcC 15:33, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

writer > artist. IMO, things should only ever be given a name they've explicitly been referred to in the fiction in question. Behind the scenes stuff, or the name it got in some other continuity shouldn't count for anything more than trivia. - SanityOrMadness 20:56, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

That is a laudable ideal- but we use behind the scenes names for unnamed character all the time, because otherwise you'd have articles named "Unnamed Autobot 214". -75.168.112.43 00:48, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

In the comic adaptation of Animated episode 2, the term "Teletran-1" refers to the ship as a whole. It's used in narration several times, some more ambiguous than others, but the clincher is "Underneath the sea, on Teletran-1..." (I don't know if the use of the term "sea" casts doubt on the veracity of the narration, but there it is.) - Jackpot 18:26, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

In that case, I support renaming the article as such. I think it's clear the ship's name really was Ark given the model sheet, but if actual public media uses a different name, that should take precedence, with Ark put in as trivia.--Thylacine 2000 18:48, 4 May 2008 (UTC).

Pretty clear case for a merge with Teletran 1, I'd say. It's canon.--Rosicrucian^Talk 18:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

New information says that we might not want to do that just yet... -- SFH 23:50, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

The only spoilers I've seen are just images. While certainly they imply a future retitling, they don't change the question of whether this article and Teletran 1 should be merged. Given the only facts we have, the ship and its computer seem to be considered one and the same. This may well remain true after "A Bridge Too Close," if perhaps under a different name. - Jackpot 06:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Bridge Too Close

...oh joy, so apparently the Season 2 finale which has just leaked to Dubai has spoilers about this too.--Rosicrucian^Talk 00:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah...so what do we do now? Move the page to conform to the new information and spoil it for everyone else? Or do we revert and censor until A Bridge Too Close airs? -- SFH 00:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Having this at the "proper" article title would be as bad a situation as when we jumped the gun and started making Elita-1 redirects the day "Along Came a Spider" aired. It's a big spoiler.--Rosicrucian^Talk 00:39, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I vote for either protecting *ALL* Animated character pages, or setting them to be untouchable by anonymous editors, or both. I'm fucking sick of dubbed scuttlebutt killing the first story developments worth a damn we've had in 9 years. Almost nobody has actually legitimately seen these episodes; most people are just wanking over screenshots and summaries. Let's really try to keep as free of it as possible, is my vote. --Thylacine 2000 01:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Far be it from me to suggest following Wikipedia's lead, but one thing that other wiki does to stop massive edit wars or mass-vandalism on specific articles, an admin will lock the page to anon user and new accounts with instructions posted at the top of the article to leave a message on the talk page if you are unable to make a valid edit. We could save ourselves a bunch of time (and from being spoiled) by putting a similar block on the involved pages and put up a template that says something like the following:

Does Prime die? (goes best with screencap from commercial)

The subject of this article is involved with major spoilers in fiction not yet available in major markets. To avoid spoiling people, editing for anonymous users and new accounts has been disabled. If you are unable made a non-spoiler edit to this page, please leave a message describing the edit to be made on this article's talk page. --FortMax 01:44, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

McFeely semi-protected Sari's page after my recommendation (and a major spoiler was added) so I guess we should probably do that as well. -- SFH 02:00, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I like FortMax's idea...perhaps we should extend this to all of the episodes that thus far have not aired in English-speaking countries, as well. --Professor Icepick 02:48, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I endorse FortMax's idea wholeheartedly. This wiki should not be a breeding ground for rampant spoilers. -- Repowers 03:00, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Here's what I've managed to tool up. I've made it garishly yellow to draw attention to it.

Does Prime die?! The subject of this article involves major spoilers in fiction not yet available to major markets. To prevent spoiling people, editing for anonymous users and new accounts has been disabled. If you have a non-spoiler edit to propose, please discuss it on this article's talk page.

Whaddaya think?--Rosicrucian^Talk 03:03, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

That...is awesome. --Professor Icepick 03:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Perfect --FortMax 03:16, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

What they said. *two thumbs up* -- Repowers 03:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't think it could be better. --Sntint 03:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

...but if you really want a consensus, a page that people may avoid on sight of the title may not be the best place to test it out? I don't really think anyone will have a problem with it, anyway. --Sntint 03:42, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I hate to jump on the bandwagon, but I dig it.--AWT88 03:48, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

FIRE AT WILL. If it's not too much of a hassle, can this be done for ALL Animated character / vehicle / object / beyond-Canada episode pages? Maybe something important has already happened to the AllSpark and nobody has blabbed about it yet, but will decide to next week; why continue to basically force some staff members to be on Spoiler Reading Patrol, when we can just nip all problems in the bud? --Thylacine 2000 17:44, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

A Bridge too Close II

So, now that A Bridge Too Close has aired, what do we do with this page now? -- SFH 00:18, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Wellsir, I'd say moving it to Omega Supreme (Animated) would be the thing to do. Opinions? - Chris McFeely 01:01, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I thought we were not doing moves or redirects like this (or any spoilers outside of the fiction section, marked as such) until 1 week after the episode aired in America. (I.e. in 2 weeks.) -Derik 02:58, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I think we need another week, 'course it's already been moved so I'm not sure if it's worth the effort to switch it back. (Undecided) 05:14, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Come to think of it, we're going to need to rewrite the whole article. That is unless we consider the sparkless ship and Omega Supreme as different entities. From what I can tell the ship was built out of the dead body of Supreme, and could be considered a separate object from the character (he was dead during that time after all). There wasn't a trace of him before the allspark revived him, his processor was taken over by Teletran I and most of his memory was either offline, or had been deleted and took Sari's key to restore. If you died and your body rose from the grave as a mindless, soulless zombie, would you consider that entity to be you? (Undecided) 05:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Impactor called. He said the answer is "Braiiiiins..."

(Which I take to mean 'yes.') -Derik 08:06, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

And I've moved it back by the most roundabout method imaginable. Let's actually WAIT this time, shall we? Mecheon 12:48, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, this is going to be a tricky rewrite.

See, the intro paragraph is going to be a tightrope walk on our "no spoilers in the intro paragraph" rule. I certainly don't know how to approach it, and have discarded several of my own attempts already.--Rosicrucian^Talk 16:21, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

"Omega Supreme was an old friend of Ratchet's during the war. Endlessly loyal and ready to sacrifice himself before allowing others to come to harm, he is considered one of the greatest heroes of Cybertron." -Derik 16:24, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps, but you kind of do have to mention that he's the ship or else you end up with how it reads now with the fiction section making no damn sense.--Rosicrucian^Talk 16:32, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

As I said above, the easiest way to organize this would be to make the ship and Omega have two separate entries. This would also make spoilers easier to avoid. (Undecided) 18:36, 29 June 2008 (UTC)