Talk: Megatron (Beast Era)

Y'know the BW Meg's was probably the most successful of all Megatron's. The guy managed to kill Optimus 3 time in his career, nearly rewrote all of history and managed to completely dominate Cybertron for a brief time.

Also, he never took to calling himself Galvatron when he changed. I give him bonus points for that. --Octopus Prime- King of the Road! 13:32, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

...he had a Cybertron toy? -Derik 01:04, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, silly me, I forgot that the new BWX toys wern't cybertron, I'll edit them back to the way they were.X-BoB58 01:14, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Does anybody else notice in BM he had the obsessive habit of saying 'Yesss' repeatedly in every episode? I think it is his favorite word, or he needs self-reassurance of everything that he says.Snarl7 15:29, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm just curious if anyone else finds it that all references to David Kaye or Megatron with yes in it have it where the end is elongated, and not the middle (as 'yeess') because that's basically how it is said. With it like 'yessss' it makes him sound like a snake or something. Just throwing that out there.AWT88 16:43, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Continuity[]

That Table of Contents doesn't look right to me. This section:

1.1 American animated continuity

   * 1.1.1 Timelines: Dawn of Futures Past
   * 1.1.2 Dreamwave Comics continuity
   * 1.1.3 Beast Wars
   * 1.1.4 Tales of the Beast Wars
   * 1.1.5 IDW Beast Wars: The Gathering comics
   * 1.1.6 Beast Machines
   * 1.1.7 3H Universe Comics

Seems like it should be broken down more. I mean, I'm not sure how exactly, but all of that stuff isn't really part of a single continuity, is it? --KilMichaelMcC 18:22, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I think the DW comics bit will be retconned out by this year's Timelines set, so I think we can move that eventually. And IDW's BW series may eventually write itself out of continuity. Otherwise, yes. --ItsWalky 18:37, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

The IDW and 3H comics are part of a single continuity? I didn't think they were compatible with each other. --KilMichaelMcC 19:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Furman has stated that theirs is in-continuity with the show, but in a separate timeline than previous material. Of course, that means nothing until there are actually irreconciliable differences, and I don't believe that's happened happened yet. When that day comes, I will gladly put IDW's material in its own subheading. (From what I understand, the Timelines story will try to reconcile with both 3H and IDW's material through non-contradiction, if not outright affirmation.) --ItsWalky 19:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

You mean like 3H's Primaeval dawn (set after Beast Wars) being 180,000 years ago, and IDW's series (during BW) being set 70,000 years ago?

Contradictions like that? -Derik 19:36, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Right. That doesn't bother me. --ItsWalky 20:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, the Japanese Micromasters stuff places BW at 3 million years ago. So it's nothing if not conflicted.

(I tend to agree BTW, while the different dates indicate the two versions of events are not in strict continuity with one another, there is nothing that keeps the events of one from more-or-less happening in the other- yet.) -Derik 20:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Is there a page somewhere that lays down how all the continuities, series, etc. should be subdivided? I'm definitely in agreement with Kil that the mess of little BW continuities shouldn't be lumped together in chronological order as though they were all meant to fit. Here's how I would do it:

Fiction
   Mainframe animated continuity
      Beast Wars
      Beast Machines
   Japanese continuity
      BWII catalog
      BW Metals manga
      BW Reborn manga
      Robot Masters
   3H comics continuity
      Omega Point
      Universe
   Dreamwave comics continuity
   IDW comics continuity
   Timelines continuity

I lump all the Japanese stuff together because I don't know how they fit or don't fit. They might need to be separated further.

The only logic I can see to the current setup is that all of those series do share the BW toon as a starting point. But there's almost no concordance (and a fair bit of contradiction) between the various offshoots. So presenting them all mushed together in a shoehorned "chronological order" is more headache-inducing and just plain misleading than breaking them out.

- Jackpot 23:49, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Yea, hell If I had my way on this wiki, there would be no divide between US and Japan continuity, X-BoB58 18:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

The problem is- that strategy only works while everything meshes smoothly. With BWMegs, we actually have parts of the US continutiy that are dropping out- at which point it becomes irresponsible to nto seperate other non-central material.

Some of ythese characers/backstories/histories are so complicated that all you can do it try to present it in a format where the reader a) is able to get a general impression b) is able to make their own judgement on the material, based on the division you made-- what fits with what, etc. -Derik 19:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

And thank God you never will, X-Bob. - RolonBolon 21:21, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

S1 VS set[]

Was it ever defined if the red Batimus and purple Megagator were the same characters as Primal and Megatron? Also, are we going to list the first BW Primal and Megs toys as versions of G1 Prime and Megs, because they are if you go by the specs.

They're BW Megs/Primal, I'm told. It says "OPTIMUS PRIMAL" and "MEGATRON" behind their recolored-CGI-commercial packaging art. Also, as I'm typing this, their cards also seem to mention "trailer truck" and "Walter P38", but in what context, who knows. So, uh, hold that thought. --ItsWalky 00:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Japanese Background[]

Derik pointed me in the right direction of the story page which was printed in a toy catalogue, featuring the background history between Megatron and Galvatron (BWII). I didn't know where to place this in the article, as it was a single story page from a catalogue rather than a typical manga magazine and didn't seem worthy of it's own little section. I did what we do to seperate the Marvel US and UK stories with italics. If any of you can think of a better place to cram it, feel free. --DrSpengler 23:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I had friend of mine (a native Japanese speaker) look at the story page(s) from the catalog, and I've adjusted both Megatron and Galvatron's pages accordingly. Here, for future reference, are the pages and translations:

Page 1

"The stage of the battle moves on to the Second War... Beast Wars, Transform!"

"Around the same time that Convoy and Megatron were locked in their death struggle... in the far reaches of the galaxy, on a planet located in the Solar system, a Cybertron space patrol and Destron armored platoon begin battle!! What is the ultimate weapon "The King of Angolmois" that sleeps in the ancient ruins of this planet? In the seventh month of the Space Year 1999, will the heroic Cybertrons win!? Or will it be the evil Destrons!? Now, you too must participate in the new Beast Wars!"

Page 2

Speech bubble emanating from Megatron says: "This guy is the Destron New Emperor of Destruction, Galvatron!"

Quote from Galvatron: "Your era is over, Megatron!"

Main paragraph (apparently narrated by Megatron): "When I was on planet Seibertron, I once disagreed with Galvatron over our opinions on space conquest, and we battled."

"At the time, I let down my guard and was defeated!"

"Although he is ambitious, he also cares for his underlings, and although I do not enjoy saying this, he probably has all the regal bearing of a new Emperor of Destruction."

Page 3

Speech bubble emanating from Convoy says: "Let me introduce the new leader of the Cybertrons, Lio Convoy!"

Quote from Lio Convoy: "Leave the rest to me, Convoy Sempai!"

Main paragraph (apparently narrated by Convoy): "He had been an ace in the Cybertron Space Patrol. He's strong and brave, and furthermore is kind: an ideal leader. He has a tendency to be too straight-forward, but I hope that he'll do his best for peace in space. I'm leaving it to you, Lio Convoy!"

Ta da. --Monzo 23:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Control Art[]

I question not only the placement of the control art, but, well, if it really needs to be there at all. I'm not sure what having the art there is FOR. --68.189.152.138 07:41, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

It's placement next to the TOC is (relatively) unobtrusive, but I agree, its purpose in beign there is kinda mysterious.

I love the pic of Megatron's spark figure though. -Derik 15:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I came here expecting to edit an image caption into something funny, but it seems true masters have already been at work here. Well done. --Andrusi 22:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

The "Dinosaur Comics" bit is SHEER GENIUS. --Salt-Man Z 22:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Timelines?[]

Is there any reason why the Timelines Megatron from Botcon isn't listed amongst his toys? --74.57.3.251 21:58, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

this may have nothing to do with the artice but...[]

you just HAVE to see this. watch at 2:47, 2:49, and 5:43. fuuuunny stuff.[1]

Just to let everyone know, I saw this remark after I put a link to that video on the page. The Big Q 17:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

It is funny but what episoden was it where he was brushing his teeth Chromia 16:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Dah dah huh[]

Ok. don't get it...User_talk:GWolfv2

I'm not sure as I didn't add it, but I'm gonna assume that it's the repetitive percussion/bass-line from the first movement of Gustav Holst's suite, "The Planets," entitled "Mars: The Bringer of War." Then again, it could be Vader's theme or whatever it's called from Star Wars. I feel much better assuming it's "Mars," but until someone owns up to it, I don't know.208.104.144.58 16:22, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Whatever it is, it is so unclear to anyone besides the original author as to be useless, so I ganked it. This, frankly, is a developing problem with how our humor policy has been used. If no one gets it, by definition it is not funny. --Thylacine 2000 14:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Split time?[]

This article's getting long. Time to split off the toy section, perhaps? Is that gonna screw up a bunch of links? -- Repowers 15:40, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Robot Heroes[]

Couldn't we put in images of the Robot Heroes Megatron vs. Rattrap and Transmetal Megatron vs. Silverbolt? I mean, the images are on Hasbro. -- 206.253.51.107 11:22, 8 August 2008

Dimishing his accomplishments?[]

Is it just me or have recent media really been determined to make Megatron's accomplishments less impressive than they were during the TV series? Thanks to 3H, FunPub and Furman, Megatron's plot to steal the golden disk turned out to be Cryotek's idea, who also invented the transformation-lock virus thing and helped Megatron take over Cybertron prior to BM. Then thanks to the Ascending series, it turns out that Megatron didn't even conquer a full-powered Cybertron, but rather a weakened Cybertron on the brink of chaos thanks to Shokaract and the Anglomois debacle (which was also responsible for him getting freed from the Autobot shuttle early)... I dunno, it just makes ol' grapeface here seem less impressive and more a mere opportunist who's got a good case of dumb luck. --Detour 21:50, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah...no. Megs took Cryotek's paln, and turned it around so Megs got away and Cryo got arrested. And one Transformer taking the entire Cybertronian race out is phenomenal. Sorry, Megs is King of Schemes. GWolfv2 23.33 15th Aug

I actually brought it up in an edit summary, and got a response from Walky. —Interrobang 22:45, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

G1 Megs was a scientist in his own right- not in Starscream's glass, but respectable enough to formulate his own inventions, solo.

BW Megatron wasn't a renaissance 'bot like that- that was never his appeal. He was a cockroach. You COULD NOT KILL HIM. You think you've got him on the ropes, think you've deprived him of his support, underlings, resources etc... and he'd somehow END UP ON TOP AGAIN. Really in the last 5 years or so I've seen this kind of villain get more lve from fiction- the kind of guy who can make you crap your pants whenever he shows up-- who is not diminished by his many defeats (many villain's weight or threat hinges on their unbeatableness.) BW Megs is crap-your-pants dangerous, no matter how many times you defeat him. And he will always escape to fight again.

You know he's alive, right? He was seen in Universe. A whiole planetful of people in new bodies, no one knows who's who... everyone thinks Megatron's dead... and he's loose in the system.

Defeating him utterly makes him more dangerous, not less. Look at how BW ended. ...and as a result he conquered all of Cybertron. -Derik 23:20, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Megatron/Iguanus basic fig[]

Iguanus' article says that he's a retool of Megatron. Megatron's article says that he's a retool of Iguanus. Which is it?--Rosicrucian ^Talk 15:04, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

They came out at practically the same time, more or less, so... the world may never know. If I had to cast a vote, I'd guess the special 2-pack came first, making Iguanis the retool. -- Repowers 15:23, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

This wikia[]

It sucks, dude you use the articles like stupid jokes from the internet that's just unfunny and stupid

Incarceration[]

How was Megatron incarcerated so easily? BlitzGundam 02:42, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Defeating Optimus Prime[]

How was Megatron able to pummel Optimus in Nemesis Part 2 - BlitzGundam (talk) 01:23, October 28, 2012 (UTC)