Yeah. This article is... sufficient? Maybe? Someone else should take a look at it. The subject's just a little too daunting for me, but I tried. --ItsWalky 19:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I wanna argue about Earthforce continuity too. It is possible to reconcile Earthforce with the US stories. Its really simple. Here's how. Earthforce takes place between 'The Price of life" and 'Surrender'. In pure US conitinuity these stories follow on from each other but in the UK continuity they are year apart. Of course there are stories missing to show how this long circular plot works. Simon Furman forgets that he had written a couple of stories that started to reconcile the divergent Earthforce plotline. Namely 'Prime Bomb', 'Dreadwing down', 'The Magnificent 6' and 'Prime's Rib'(ignore date). In these stories Optimus prime is back on Earth and is still a powermaster. Unicron is till heading towards Cybertron. Usually Simon Furman would just add odd UK stories here and there to the US plot but this was not possible in 1990 due the UK and US stories being printed out of sync. He has used similar long circular plots before e.g. 'The Enemy Within' plotline UK 9-21 and the 'Prey' plotline UK 96-104. So this is nothing new. Obviously the Transformers who were reactivated would need to be de-activated once more etc.
There is also confusion about the parallel universes and time travel. This is also really simple. All timelines at the same up to 'In the National Interest'. Then 20 years in the future Galvatron and co timejump back to 1986. This immediatly creates a new timeline and this is the main timeline from here on. Eventually the space time rift threatens to destroy both timelines. At the end of 'Time wars' the main timeline is saved by Shockwave but the original future is replaced by a new timeline in which Galvatron never timejumps. This Galvatron is later kidnapped by Hook, Line and Sinker as shown in 'Eye of the storm'.
The 'Aspects of Evil' flashbacks take place in the original timeline except for Galvatron and Unicron. Galvatron's "memories" in 'Time wars' was just madness created by the rift.
Does this makes sense now? RG76 14:35, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- I wanna argue about Earthforce continuity!
- Marvel UK's big Thing was that Time Wars created a new, subtually altered timeline (resulting in the Marvel US stories.)
- In that timeline, Unicron arrives in 1991. I think it's clear that in Earthforce Unicron is still coming- but slated to arrive in 2005. This is the events leaving up the Marvel UK's movie-era stories. "We lost the Matrix, Unicron is coming... but he's still 15 years off."
- In which case- there really AREN'T any continuity errors in Earthforce Per-Se... they're just Earth 2 stories, continuing the old universe while the new post-crisis one is running in a splashier fashion. There's some wobbley-ness about just when the break point is, which I think accounts for all the really odd stuff.
- Disagreements? -Derik 23:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
- That's a nice fantheory, but I don't think it has any relevance. --ItsWalky 23:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
- So in other words- "Unless you have the time to go back and find page-and-pannel references to support this idea, I don't want to wast time discussing it."
- ...fair enough. -Derik 23:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
- The other huge problem with this is, simply, that Earthforce has stories leading into it -- starting with "Survivors" that work perfectly in US continuity... until Earthforce interfers. Basically, you're talking bullsnot.
- The EArthforce stories clearly aren't trying to form a seperate continuity -- for example, in "Apsects of Evil" Scorponok is stalked by the Micromaster Air Strike patrol, because Furman knows that they belong to Megatron, as per his early US Stories. He also makes reference to the upcoming Decepticon Civil War. But Megatron's DEAD by the time the Civil War takes place -- sorta. He creates ECHOS of what's going to happen.
- I think maybe Earthforce, as a term for the divergent continuity, should have its own page -- seperated from Earthforce the team. That way it can be discussed a little more comprehensively. Though I think what you've got there is pretty damn good, Walky.Jhiaxus 23:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
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I know of the trivia, but I don't have a source I can cite for it. Uh. Anybody remember? Hopefully? --ItsWalky 06:05, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
- Found it! The opening background text in the Prey TPB covers this. --ItsWalky 08:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)