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I'm uneasy about the way the latest revision [1] constructs its timeline, seemingly declaring that Beast Wars definitely happened in the G1 cartoon universe and that the G1 cartoon universe is definitely the same as the GI Joe cartoon universe. (Or, at least, is similar enough that it includes Cobra-La for example.) Multi-continuity synthesis is sometimes appropriate, but should always be explained, and here I don't think it is appropriate in the first place. The entry would be much better off split up into sections for different TF series, like many of our other articles. --Steve-o 23:05, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

The Ice age happened after beast Wars. X-BoB58 23:18, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

X-bob- which ice age?
Ar we sure we want to remove Cobra-La? Didn't Old Snake exhibit evidenc eof the changes from gi Joe:TM? -derik
He did, ya know. Scaley fingers comin' outta the gloves. Anyway, fair point on the G1/BW bit, I was jest a-portin' it over from Wikipedia without thinking enough about it. I do feel that the other Sunbow shows deserve some kinda reference here, though, even as a footnote or something, as they are nominally the same Earth. There's a bit of a list of numerous connections that may sway ye. - Chris McFeely
Haven't we already had the discussion re: Sunbow shows? I'm still against their inclusion on this Wiki.--G.B. Blackrock 23:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, we've already had this discussion. Connections or not, Cobra-La never happened in Transformers fiction, and adding it in means we have to have a complete G.I. Joe, Dr. Who, and Fantastic Four wikipedia in this wiki as well. Hey, Death's Head met all these guys, you know? And they met all these guys, and ... I mean, dude, do we really want to have to make full entries on Presidents Reagan and Bush Sr? No. We stick to strictly what's been seen in Transformers material. --ItsWalky 23:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Was unaware that the discussion had been had already, so, fair enough. Can't say as how I particularly agree with it, though, and I don't see why one casual mention, or at least a single page detailing the concept of the shared "Sunbow Universe" automatically means a "complete wikipedia" is needed. I mean, does that mean that for a Death's Head entry, one cannot mention the fact that he met the FF, or the Doctor, or Dragon's Claws, or whatever - because that somehow means they need an entry? Ach, I have not the strength in me to argue. :) - Chris McFeely
I understand Walky's desire to prevent sprawl. Do we do profiles of Nick Fury's elaborate past? Spider-man's? Death's Head's? (Yet, DH's does seem more elaborate.)
Cobra-La made it into TF v. Gi Joe, where it had ties to Unicron. I honestly don't see how you can justify not including it.
I'ts-- no one wants an elaborate history of Gi Joe, but an overview of the relevant bits that seem to overlap w/ the TFU might be in order. Marissa Fairborne. Mirtonia. Oktober Guard.-71.37.253.98 02:19, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Did the bio reveal that? I thought the bio just revealed that he ws guardian of Gaea, the future Earth, without going into any further length about his history.

Also, the second half ofg the BW2 secvtion, clarifyignt he retroactive nature of Gaea's ID, should be italicised. Nor do you need to go into detaisl about Tokyo beyond- "Though it was not Rarth as originally concieved, this does jibe with some things about Gaea," linkign to Gae's page for further explication.

Part of the point is to make it easy to get information out of these entries. This is nto the entry to be explainign the complicated Earth/Gaea thing, that's in Gaea's entry. The ammount of noise through which oen has to wade to achieve the 'signal' "Gaea is Earth, thoguh this is a retcon" is very high. -Derik 00:52, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

First comment---This whole wiki is full of useful and at times funny information. I have a question on the G1 Earth. Are the changes in Earth's technology and relations with aliens addressed in the Japanese series? Earth seems to regress after or perhaps during Headmasters. By Masterforce the humans seem to be back at pre-contact level knowledge of aliens and regressed on techology. While that changes a little again in Victory, it could seem that something is out of place. -Ithekro

Masterforce was definately still the future- (thay had videophones for one) but it was nto futuristic, probably a conscious choice ont he aprt of producers, thinkign therew was some advantage to a mroe grounded series.

You jsut have to accept that we tended to see all the futuristic-stuff in 2010, and none of it by MF. Presumably both were always THERE, but we were jsut prestende with a slanted view of how prevalant future-tech was in Season 3 because the story follwoed the Witwickies, whow ere always att he center of such development, and tended to run into the (comparatively rare) high-tech stuff a lot.

(that explanation works up until New York City, which is shown in season 3 and Master Force, and just- cannot hold both explanations... but we ignore that.)

Victory was very slyly retro-1970's BTW, if you're lookign for a reaosn why we didnt' see a lot of futyuretech there either. It's liek Superman Returns, which clearly IS modern (with cell phones, computers, flatscreens et al) but is very carefulyl set-dressed to make you THINk it's in the 1970's.

Masterforce = Same Principle. -Derik 01:38, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

So the Transformer have a not so secret war from 1984-2010ish, manage to get the humans into contact with many alien races, and built this Autobot City in Oregon, and then once they defeat Galvatron and Scorponok they just leave? Mission accomplished, alright lets go home. That makes sense I suppose. So that by 2015 or whenever Masterforce is suppose to take place, man has reverted to a late 1980s view of 2015 (which with a few minor exceptions seems like our present day), and seems the Earth Defense Command has been slacking off. Then the Pretenders come (and they did what while Optimus Prime was fighting for the planet and universe?) and the humans seem, well shocked a little by the alien robots. That is understandable to a point, but they use to have Optimus Prime Day, probably back when Ginrai was a little kid. Its not like everyone would forget that these giant robots use to stomp around the planet trying to blow each other up, steal energy, or make wild attempts to destroy the planet. Or maybe the media is very tightly controlled, and no one knew about all this save those involved? Seems like a whole lot of cities got involved in several of the major fights between Autobot and Decepticon. Just seems a little surreal, that's all. - Ithekro

Well, like, no one in Masterforce seems unable to swallow the idea of alien robots- no oen says "but that's all nonsence!" clarly they're all AWARE of Transformers existance.
And if, say, 10 years passed betqween HM and MF... who's to say what happened to the EDC? Massively expensive government program whose justificatio nwa s to resist Decepticon imperialism- if the Decepticons go away for a decade- why would anyone fund it?
I'm not saying it's gon either. On Earth we have massively high-tech cities liek Singapore, and 100 miles away you have dirst-floor no-running-water hovels that look like something out of a film set 300-500 years ago. That kidn fo technological disparity (to a greater or lesser extent) is common worldwide. There's nothignt hat prevents there from being the ultra-high-tech EDC in the otherwise low-tech environemnt of Masterforce.
Mind, it hink it makes a lot more sense if there's no EDC,t hat would explain why Hawk was workign eith priivate scientists. And MF has other issues with its timeline- ti seems liek Hawk & Co were ptresent on Earth for all of G1-HM, and never showed up or helped out or... anything, instead keeping a singmeminded patrol for any sign the Destron Pretenders had escaped. I find that a lot harder to swallow than the EDCC disappearing. -Derik 19:27, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes I agree on the Autobot Pretenders staying hidden for 25 or so years of war a little suspect. I assume they arrived on Earth after the Beast Wars since they have human "shells" and not proto-homonid forms. Unless they upgraded/evolved with the human race over time. I assume they are more advanced than Prime's forces if they came later. I do hope they reported in at least once after finding out their leader was on Earth in the 1980s. Prime might have ordered them to keep cover as a last resort, but there were a lot of times where the Autobots had to use last resorts, so that doesn't fit either.

Still, the question about Earth's seeming removal from intergalactic society once Galvatron is defeated seems a little odd. While the EDC seems to be unable to fight a Decepticon in a straight fight, the military forces of Earth would have tried to upgrade since that is what militaries do. Civilian life changes more slowly usually, but something is amiss. Especially when Black Zarak arrives. Wouldn't the EDF been out there to stop him besides just Grand Maximus? Or has the EDC been assigned to stop extra-solar problems (Star Blazers like battleships and such) but thought Earth was safe with the Decepticons being tracked down by Rodimus Prime and Fortress Maximus? There is also a mention someplace about Deathsanrus attacking Earth before Victory, but that could have been a mention of Overlord instead since most of the surviving MF Decepticons leave once lose their human parts. (Note: I've only seen the older, probably poorer dubbed versions of the three G1 Japanese series that use the American/European character names) - Ithekro

in-series events mark the Pretender arrival at about 3000 years ago. (Blood was buried in a Pyramid, so his imprisonment post-dates their construction- but the Nasca Lines came into beign AFTER Dauros was imprisoned under them, and they're 3000+.) -Derik 21:58, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
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