Talk: Devastator (ROTF)

One Hundred Dollars?

Someone please tell me that's false, there's no way in hell that toy is worth it, considering how simplistic and in-accuarte his transformations and combined modes are, he can't possibly be worth it. If this is true, he's going to shelf warm like none other. And NO I'm not talking about the "Legends" size one with all the Japanese writing on it's pic.

In Taiwan, I saw it for about $170 US. And he is actually really cool, and really big, so people will actually buy him. Teh lolz! BPL 00:52, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

The Toy...

That's unfortunate that the Constructicons don't get robot modes for this specific set....I kind of DON'T want it now....And it's sorta funny, because isn't Superion Maximus getting re-released under the ROTF line as an exclusive? So that means that the damn Autobots have the upper hand! NOOOOOOO!!!!!....o.o I'm done....--KaotikusNemesis 15:50, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Considering their complexity, I see no reason why the individual constructicon figures can't combine. I've almost figured out how to transform Demolishor into a torso, based on the pics I've found online, and having seen the shape of Mixmaster's hands and feet, as well as the way Rampage's torso fits together, there isn't a doubt in my mind that one can reconfigure them to match the basic forms of the combining Devastator's pieces, without having to resort to kitbashing. Xeno the Hedgehog 16:00, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I certainly hope they do combine (even though with Soundwave and Tank-Megs' I'm already gonna need a miracle to get the money for everything I want), because DIZZAMN. I like messing around with my figures, so "Vehicle to Leg" and "Vehicle to Robot but not Leg even though I'm a Constructicon" just.....won't do. Make me sad a wee bit. Heh. Fo' Rizzle. And I'm surprised nobody noticed this talk page still redirected to Brawl's before I did....Spooky, man. --KaotikusNemesis 16:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Brawl does not deserve to call himself Devastator!!! despite being armed to the teeth, he transformed and immediately got his aft handed to him by a shiny, breakdancing gremlin!!! Xeno the Hedgehog 16:33, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Wholeheartedly agreed. But hey, they had to give the one black Autobot a win, because as he was the "black guy" of the 'Bots, in a major motion picture, he was doomed from the start...*Flashback to Samuel L. Jackson getting eaten by a shark*....Yeeaaaahh.....--KaotikusNemesis 16:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

me no like toy of me either.CRUSH HASBRO INCORPERATED!!- devastator

Um, sorry guys butta...

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I've noticed that the toy's transformation is not very screen-accurate, especially Scavenger. On screen, the transformation sequence that we actually see is as follows:

• Mixmaster-the tires atop the rear of the vehicle swing down, followed by the rest of the vehicles rear, and are subsequently retracted under the vehicle. The cement drum splits into four segments that orbit the "neck", while the vehicles frame bends just behind the cab, lifting the second and third pair of wheels slightly off the ground and angling the rear of the cement drum further up. The hood separates from the grill and splits in half. At this point, scavenger's "tentacles" attach themselves at four points to the front of the drum and retract; the vehicle is lifted from the ground and the entire cement drum is driven between two large semicircular pieces, which clamp together around the front of the drum while the rear of the drum connects to the base of the neck. the two halves of the hood, and front fenders then spread apart, the front grill slides up and under the hood, and the face emerges from the engine compartment as the front bumper slides under the chin. I believe the headlights form Devastator's eyes. The neck sections begin spinning as Devastator stands up.
• Scavenger-Shovel is lifted up and splits in half along its length as the base of the "neck" slides forward from underneath and rises into view from its base. the two halves of the shovel swing apart from each other and down to the sides, similar to Demolishor's arms. Meanwhile, the vehicle's side sections bulge out, the cabin swings backward and retracts, the sections slide down next to the shovel halves, and two large panels not unlike the ones present on Demolishor's back slide up and into view. The base of the "neck" protrudes forward, revealing no less than two rotating segments as two semicircular "clamps" spread to the sides. four "tentacles" snake out from the side sections and attach to Mixmaster, before reeling him in and clamping the semicircular pieces onto him. shortly afterward, three more "tentacles" are shown reeling in the right arm and fastening it in place at the end of the shovel's right half. The action is repeated for Hightower. After the rear of the crane is attached to the shovel's left half, it swings over and the Excavator's side section connects to the crane's right side. When the left forearm is lifted from the ground, right before the left hand is attached, the excavator's treads have been retracted and something can briefly be seen detaching from the underside of the left upper arm and swinging backward. At some point, the legs have attached themselves, and sections of the torso seem to help lift the gestalt's bulk from the ground as Devastator stands up, before retracting into the chest.
• Large Front-End Loader (Possibly Scrapper)-shovel splits into thirds as it is lifted, the center piece drooping slightly until the shovel is at its maximum height, at which point the center piece jerks backward and rotates forward, while the lateral sections rotate backward. Subsequently, the lateral halves of the shovel rotate against their side panels so that all three point down, and the three segments drop out of the frame. pieces of the vehicle can be seen shifting into place as it is attached to Scavenger's shovel. When devastator stands up, he leans his weight on his right arm, which seems to jerk down slightly, as though the last pieces were locking into position. At this point, the wheels can be seen spinning backward, and the fingers no longer resemble pieces of the shovel, but are flat and jointed.
• High Tower-very little changes. The crane can be seen swiveling slightly clockwise at the start of the transformation. Right after it attaches to the left half of Scavenger's shovel, it is lifted from the ground and swing to the left, where the excavator's left side section braces against the crane's right side. The crane is lifted from the ground, its underside seems to have been given some extra mass, a small protrusion appears at the front and is inserted into the top rear of the left hand, which then locks in place. At some point, the crane's hook comes down and attaches to the wrist, the cable seems to have been pulled taut. When devastator stands up, crane's treads can be seen rapidly spinning backward.
• Long Haul-As steam is released from various points, the vehicle's headlights point down and to his right; possibly following Simmons and Leo. The top of the ladder on each side of the front separates; they shift down and toward each other. the grill shifts slightly up, the bottom of the grill shifts forward, and the grill then slides down. the sections to either side of the grill shift out, the driver's compartment sliding toward the center as the bucket tilts up. When Devastator begins to stand, the right foot is brought forward first.
• Small Front-End Loader-Initially lifts its shovel as if to say "behold". shovel splits in three, all three segments rotate counterclockwise and swing down to the ground. Driver's compartment flips backward and its bottom segment is lifted up on two support members, during which the front wheels can briefly be seen spinning backward. Fingers then straighten, lifting the vehicle onto its rear end. left forearm is brought down onto top of vehicle, splaying out the top and front sections, which then slide up into the crane as it is lifted from the ground, culminating with the grill spinning one half turn counterclockwise before the fully formed left hand strikes the ground again.
• Rampage and Overload are not seen until the gestalt is fully formed, and only Rampage is recognizable among the components. As Devastator stands, the treads on his left foot can briefly be seen spinning in reverse.
• Vortex Grinder-as Devastator walks through the pit in which he transformed, his head splits at the center and the two halves seem to slide apart slightly. the upper lip and maxilla separate from the upper jaw and join the lower lip as the jaw opens. the mandibular pistons are extended to their limit and slide apart as the top of the maxilla swings forward and splits in half. Simultaneously, the neck retracts and the segments are joined to maximize the circumference of the grinder.

If you should find any error in what I've written, do not hesitate to correct me. Xeno the Hedgehog 03:32, October 6, 2009 (UTC) Well I noticed at the end of his transformation you can see mixmaster's cab i did not notice either at first.

Suggestion for a caption

I think that maybe we should change the "wonder if there'll be a combiner not a combiner not monkey" complaint. As part of a running gag, I was thinking more of something like this: "First one to say combiner not munky" (perhaps with some better mispellings) "gets it in the mouth!" (I only say "mouth" not only for a running gag, but also because we've 1) got "gets it" nothing, and 2) in the face).

thats "KOMBYNER NOT GOREELA " TO u- devastator (me no type good!!)

Nobody Mentioned

That he has wrecking balls.. For balls.

It's been mentioned. I've killed it a few times. It's evident enough and doesn't need pointed out with tacky puns and "lulz BALLS" jokes. Jeep! 23:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Clones?

Moved to Talk:Constructicon (Movie)

No robot modes

I think we should remove that part about the downside of the Devastator set is that the individual figures don't have robot modes because, well, this may be movie accurate. Seeing as the Construction vehicles that formed Devastator rolled up to the battle scene and did absolutley NOTHING let alone a transformation til they formed Devastator is a solid reason, also, Seymour Simmons, and Leo Spitz hid behind one of the individual contruction vehicles and leaned up against it's treads, a Decepticon, by nature (as shown in the first movie) would've done something to shake them off or kill them, most likely TRANSFORM, but this vehicle did nothing of the sort, and third, there was a completely different set of constructicons in the movie that had only a vehicle and Robot mode that all participated in the final battle whilst Devastator was destroying the pyramid (all except Demolishor). So in conclusion, I do not believe Devastators limbs ever had robot modes, please take this into consideration -- User:Rodimusmann22 21:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

That was an eloquent, informative, and well-thought argument. We will take your theory into consideration. Xeno the Hedgehog 06:12, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I was actually thinking the same thing, although my thoughts were just about whether I should try to get the toy....Anyway, I agree completely.--KaotikusNemesis 09:05, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree that Devastator is not a combiners in the ROTF film, too, just like Magmatron. --TX55^TALK 14:35, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for all of your support, but when can we expect these changes to be made? Because I've been monitoring other transformers sites and there seems to be more and more recognition to the fact that Devastator is not a true combiner -- User:Rodimusmann22 01:44, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Well , when scaveger pulls mixmaster in look good under neath the cab you can see his limb.

Number of vehicles

When Devastator is assembling himself, I noticed that the arm with Hightower on it slammed down on a small component, with features not unlike that of a small, one-man front-loader, which then formed the fingers of that hand. It did not have the same color scheme as Overload, and was far too small to have been Scrapper, so perhaps there are more component vehicles than six or seven, as was previously assumed. Anyone care to comment? Xeno the Hedgehog 19:49, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

The colors may have possibly been part of the robots' interior that became visible when transformed. You know, like sometimes a robot mode will have different colors than the vehicle? You can watch the scene from the movie and try to see which vehicles combined. Teh lolz! BPL 00:54, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so. Leo and Simmons hide around some construction vehicles. There's Long haul and Hightower. When Devastator is about to combine, we see scrapper and rampage on an overlooking hill, while Scavenger, Mixmaster and an unnamed third vehicle arrive. the third vehicle looks like a small excavator. it could have been a duplicate of Scrapmetal, who turns into a Volvo excavator.bumblebee prime!!!!!

There is a vehicle that becomes Devastators left wrist and hand, after combining with High Tower. It appears to be a bulldozer, as it has treads, but someone keeps editing the article to say "Front Loader" instead of "Bulldozer", which is incorrect, as a front loader moves via 4 tires, instead of treads.

Okay, first of all, sign your posts. Second, I keep changing it because it was NOT a bulldozer. A bulldozer has a fixed blade on the front that is used for plowing, the scoop on the hand vehicle was quite clearly used for scooping and lifting, which would make it a front-loader. Either vehicle can have treads or wheels. and by the way, you're arguing with an administrator. Xeno the Hedgehog 04:42, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Since people still can't be bothered to listen to logic, maybe these will help: Xeno the Hedgehog 22:18, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front-loader

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulldozer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skid_loader

I've been watching some clips of the film on Youtube recently, and after watching Devastator's transformation a few dozen times, I'm beginning to think that there may only be seven vehicles after all. By way of explanation, I noticed that the only front-end loader visible on the screen is the one that forms his left hand. in contrast, Overload is the only vehicle whose relative position to Scavenger would have allowed the formation of the right arm. In other words, Scrapper may not have been the right arm, as the concept art and toys would lead us to believe, but in fact may have been the left hand vehicle that has been disputed, while Overload would serve as the right arm, rather than the lower torso. It would also help to explain why the fingers of Devastator's right hand did not resemble Scrapper's shovel segments as he moved across the construction site, while the fingers of the left hand maintained their shovel-like design. It could not have been Rampage, as his treads were clearly visible on Devastator's left foot. Your thoughts? Xeno the Hedgehog 23:39, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

Allow me to correct my previous argument. Overload is visible, right up until Mixmaster begins transforming, at which point the Articulated Dump Truck is absent and a Front-end Loader is inexplicably sitting in its place, which then begins transforming into the right forearm. Is this an error? I also noticed that when the construction vehicles begin rolling into view, something on the far left of the screen can briefly be glimpsed exiting the frame. I'm not sure if it was another vehicle or a camel, but I think it's worth looking into. Xeno the Hedgehog 01:58, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Furthermore, in the part where we see a rear view of what appears to be the right forearm attaching to the shoulder, not only do we see "tentacles" pulling the limb toward the main body, but there is also a transparent tube running between them, which is retracted at one or both ends as the limb moves toward the body, until the tube's endpoints touch. Assuming this tube is part of Devastator's cardiopulmonary circulatory system, this means that the relationship between components of a gestalt runs deeper than was previously thought (at least in the live action films). Xeno the Hedgehog 08:09, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

A few more corrections. I wish to take back my statement about the hand vehicle being a wheel-loader. I recently saw a screenshot of said vehicle on TFwiki, and it does indeed have treads. However, I maintain my claim that it is a front-end loader, as the scoop that forms the fingers is far too concave to be of effective use on a bulldozer. And speaking of bulldozers, I also wish to correct my earlier claim that the close-up of the yellow limb being realed in was the right forearm; It may in fact have been the left leg. Xeno the Hedgehog 19:01, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

The Scale?

If you look at the Devastator toy, the scale is really messed up. I mean, Mixmaster is huge and Long Haul is really small. Is this just because of the missing Overload and how did Long Haul get so small if he was huge in the movie? Teh lolz! BPL 00:58, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Toys. Remember, Metroplex is meant to be a city, and he's more of a hamlet in scale with everyone else. Jeep! 01:12, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok, but in the movie, was Long Haul so small in leg mode while Mixmaster was 4 times as large as the head? Teh lolz! BPL 00:45, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Please refer to scale. Xeno the Hedgehog 02:06, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Devastator's "weight problems"

I don't think the Unicron from 1986 is the best example, considering that pretty much every episode of G1 blatantly ignored the laws of physics in one way or another. Instead, I recommend using a character (preferably a gestalt, though any large character will do) from one of the later series; perhaps a cityformer or Omega Supreme (Animated). Xeno the Hedgehog 18:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Help

Some anonymous user keeps changing the page without sourcing their edits, and it won't let me rollback his posts because someone else has edited the page since then. Xeno the Hedgehog 05:10, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind, I think I've got it under control. Xeno the Hedgehog 05:12, April 7, 2010 (UTC)