I have some issues with the apocrypha section, including the part where the article speaks for the fandom (which was already present before being moved to that section) and the new unsourced claim that Daniel was forcibly introduced by Hasbro in order to try to bring in younger fans as the early fans aged and moved on. If phrased as speculation, I think that would be okay, but as-is it is way too strongly stated. If there is documentation of this, such as in one of Rik's interviews with production staff, it should be cited. --Steve-o 17:21, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll rephrase that a bit. The inclusion of Daniel and Wheelie, and the reasons, have been cited before, but the original citations have been somewhat lost over the years and may be part of the 'fandom myth'. If anyone has the original info here, though, please feel free to specify it. -- Vanguard

Walky, any time a 'new young character' is introduced into any series, it's to bring in younger audiences and get interest. This is a universal television and marketing constant. Unless you can prove that Hasbro did not have this in mind when it was done in 1986, maybe you should have left the supposition as I had stated it in the appropriate Apocrypha section? -- Vanguard

If it's so very common, it's not important to be worth mentioning, and is assumed. But for all we know, Daniel's inclusion was Sunbow's decision. Until someone can prove it either way, supposition does not belong here. "Hasbro wanted a young character" will not be put in his entry without credited proof. --ItsWalky 18:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that the new text that appears to link Daniel's inclusion to the cancelling of the cartoon and a "slow and lingering death-spiral for the entire franchise" belongs there. --KilMichaelMcC 18:02, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree. --ItsWalky 18:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Cute, adorble death-spiral? -Derik23:20, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Daniel's Parentage

Theis struck me as odd readign that Buster and Jesse were Daniel's parents. (The coloring book section) Buster soudned kinda familiar- but I didn't think Jesse ever put in a non-Marvel-comic appearance. So I looked it up.

The observation comes from Steve's page. He says that looks liek Jesse. I crazy, or is that totally Carly's animation model without the headband? -Derik 08:26, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Carly had much shorter hair. Shoulder-length. Since the artist is Frank Springer, who drew Jesse similarly in the original Marvel Comics limited series, it seems to be Jesse to me. --ItsWalky 12:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Man, what was I on? That's clearly Carly. Carly wears a headband, a blouse, and a vest, all of which the coloring book Mrs. Witwicky is wearing. Clearly in this alternate universe, Buster stole his older brother's lady. --ItsWalky 07:54, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
When I think of Jesse, i think of her jailbait t-shirt number. I think it's the vest which is makign me think Carly. I'll have to go back and look at source... (Of course, Buster is drawn like Spike, so) -Derik 15:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Headmaster Toy

Just wondering where this bit of info came from? I'de never come across it until I read this wiki, and it seems a bit off that this is the only place it's mentioned (admittedly, I haven't exactly looked for confirmation). Gouki 07:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

How's that? --Monzo 08:07, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, that's good enough for me, I guess. Did it come from a guidebook or something, can you tell me which one? Gouki 08:23, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
If you click on the picture, the informational text below it says it comes from the Japanese Transformers: Generations guide book. Which, indeed, is where I scanned it from. --Monzo 08:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Kiss Players

I think I love Kiss Players.

I also think the KP page needs to have an ep/story/manga list on it so we can start putting storylinks it, because the scope of material it's covering is beginning to outpace a simple 'kiss players' link.

I have a few things to say: First, Kiss Players doesn't have a cartoon, thank the Lord Almighty. Second, We barely have information on what went on in that sickening abomination to Japanese Transfans, and, finally, you DISGUST me. GTFO of the Transfandom, PERVERT. Dynamus Prime 19:18, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Kiss Players is pretty crappy, but that comment's a bit out of line, sir. Vacation time for you. --ItsWalky 19:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah. I need to work on that brain/mouth filter. Or brain/keyboard. Whatever.--Dynamus Prime 17:10, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


I think Animated Daniel has shown up enough times to warrant his own page, rather than referenced only in his G1 self's trivia. --ItsWalky 17:29, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I was considering proposing the same thing.--RosicrucianTalk 17:32, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
He hasn't been actually NAMED in the show yet, has he? What would we then call him? "Kid in outfit Bootsy Collins wouldn't be caught dead in"? --M Sipher 17:35, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
We name it Daniel Witwicky (Animated), the do a note that he hasn't been officially named, and place it the nameless things category. Trust me, at Wookieepedia, we do this all the time. -- SFH 17:42, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, let's go!


This, I think, is one of those rare few examples where the "IDW character goes in its G1 equivalency's article" methodology falls flat on its face. The characters share a name and no other similarities. There is no way for us to incorporate the military officer into the intro section. Therefore, I propose it gets split off.--RosicrucianTalk 23:42, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Disagree. It's a reinventing of the character, like Jhiaxus or Galvatron. Very different from their G1 incarnations, but still a version of that character. --MistaTee 03:10, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Certain common elements are present for those characters which are not present for the Colonel.--RosicrucianTalk 05:18, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
If Daniel Witwicky can grow up to become an XTREME leather jacket-wearing kamakaze, he can also grow up to become a jackass Colonel. Are we going to split up Energon comicbook Alexis and Energon cartoon Alexis? One was a anti-government hippie, the other worked FOR the government. Daniel, as we usually know him, is way too young to say he's not the character we see in these future takes. --ItsWalky 05:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Turn that argument around, though. Insecticon Barrage is different from Micromaster Barrage. Mini-Con Crumplezone is different from Velocitrion's Crumplezone. Who's to say Daniel Witwicky is the same as "Danny" Witwicky just because they share the same name? When a Transformer shows up with the same name as another TF in the same continuity, we don't necessarily assume they're the same guy unless there's something else to show a connection (rank, vehicle mode, attitude, etc). --Xaaron 23:28, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
The question to ask in those circumstances are... Do they exist at the same time right next to each other, and so obviously aren't the same person? We have profile information on the two Barrages that reference each other. That is definitely not the case here, where we simply have an older version of an established character. --ItsWalky 23:49, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Daniel's Wreckers incarnation is at least explicitly stated to be him. Hippie and diplomat Alexis likewise are explicitly the same character and share backstory. As I said, common elements are present to tie those characters to others that share the name. If the intro section is supposed to be a gestalt of the various fictions they've appeared in, how the heck do we portray this? He'd be better off in a separate article with his own intro section and a disambig to say "This is the man who can kill you five different ways with a toothpick. For the little fella in the exosuit, see..."--RosicrucianTalk 17:42, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

As if I needed another reason not to fucking read AHM. Also, I disagree with the split. This is pretty blatantly LOOK ITS THAT GUY YOU ALL HATE NOW GROWN UP AND LOOK HATE HIM MORE HA HA HA ISNT THAT CLEVER. Let's just make sure the IDW part of the article reflects how fucking stupid this is. --M Sipher 08:56, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I just think we're almost falling into the same thing Wikipedia does on some of these. Wikipedia will stick 20 characters on the same page that share nothing more than a name, from continuities across the board. The writeups suffer as a result, and their Transformers pages look like the dog's breakfast. In this case I feel this is a character that I feel has suffered from being condensed to a sentence, an image, and a footnote.--RosicrucianTalk 17:08, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
I've got a vaguely similar sense of impending doom circling like some dread bird of prey above the inclusion of someone called "Minerva" who looks to have absolutely no relation to the Masterforce character appearing in the Nightbeat Timelines comic, but I suppose I should wait till that actually comes out first. - Chris McFeely 17:15, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Minerva's mini-bio in the most recent Fan Club magazine borrows a lot from the "real" Minerva, from her parentage to being involved in a Transtector program. --ItsWalky 17:22, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Join me in dabbing my forehead in relief. - Chris McFeely 17:29, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
All you have to remember is that Fun Publications' Classics fiction will gleefully reference anything that is not the actual continuity it takes place in. --ItsWalky 18:30, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
For my money, Daniel (Animated) has a lot more in common with G1 Daniel (or even the BotCon Nightbird killing version) than AHM Daniel. --Jimsorenson 00:20, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Why does the caption for the picture in this section ("Better dead than red") point to the wrong use of 'red'? That's an old McCarthy era slogan denouncing Communism, not the Democratic Party. Jeep! 15:18, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

"Red" does not indicate the Democratic Party. Red states are Republican. Republicans who, stereotypically, hate hybrid-driving elitists, exactly like Colonel Danny Witwicky does in All Hail Megatron. Beyond that, I refuse to spell out the joke. --ItsWalky 15:35, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Oh, ok. I get it now, and feel kinda stupid asking. :( I just assumed red was the left-er colour in that system cause of its use by other lefty parties. Jeep! 15:39, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


I herd Danny was born on cybertron is this true?- 13:26, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

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