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This link and page header may very well change. But we have TWO "Classics" in TFs now... the early-90 Euro re-release line, and now apparently everything post-Cyb-pre-Movie (since the Mini-Cons are now officially being labelled as such). "Classics (1991)" and "Classics (2006)"? --M Sipher 17:32, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Works for me.--ItsWalky 17:56, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Except for the fact that the European Classics started in 1990 if the Hartman's TS Archive is correct. --FortMax 20:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Basically the new Classics seems like it's gonna be a "Greatest Hits" line now I think. A bunch of homages to and continuations of everything from G1 to Cyb. thrown together till the movie comes along.

Powerglide

Yes, I know that the redeco was originally meant to be Powerglide. But I doubt that he's still considered to be, after the name change. --ItsWalky 14:59, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

In fact, Fireflight's packaging gives him Fireflight's function. He's Fireflight now, despite his origins. --ItsWalky 15:10, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


Inclusion?

Should the "Classics" releases of G1 Soundwave and 20th Prime be included/listed here as well? I lean towards yes, since they are in the Classics packaging (with Classics crosssells) and Hasbro seems to be including everything post Cybertron as Classics. Opinions? ZacWilliam 13:36, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Technically, yeah. -hx 18:05, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

What about the Japanese Repaints? - Some Random IP Person

Not enough information about them yet, and I assume we haven't decided on if they'll be Classics or a new line. Oh, and please sign your posts so we don't confuse posts made by people with no accounts to with people who have accounts. --FFN 06:52, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

classics DVD packs in europe

i don't know if that was in all of europe, but here in belgium, they sold(from all that i know limeted to these toys) cliffjumper, grimlock, ramjet, mirage and astrotrain with the DVD the return of megatron, with 5 episodes of transformers energon(yes, every toy was sold with the exact same DVD). the also released the same toys over again with another DVD, but i can't remember what it was actualy about because i got all the toys they packed with the the return of megatron DVD.(i'm not buying the same toy again for this.) should this be noted in the classics subline as trivia? --Grand-majin 22:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Manga

Fair warning: According to a blurb on Takara's new "Henkei! Henkei! Transformers" page, there's going to be a manga for the toy line running in TV Magazine. It wasn't in the February issue, which I just got a week ago, so it may start with the March issue. (My copies don't arrive until almost a month after they come out in Japan, so someone may already have the March issue and be able to confirm.)--Apcog 16:57, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Addendum: Pictures of Skyglide, the recolored Mini-Con offered as a campaign item in conjunction with the line, are now up as well.--Apcog 17:02, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I was wondering what to do with that. I had no idea if that was Powerglide's Japanese name, or if he needs a new page. --ItsWalky 17:04, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
It's a minicon. I'm sure the mere fact that it exists will summon Sipher.--RosicrucianTalk 17:05, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I already put a notice about it on Sipher's Talk page a little while ago, leaving nothing to chance. Powerglide has always been "Powerglide" in Japan, IIRC. This is an homage, but, for the moment, it's a new character. It MIGHT be retconned into a new body for Powerglide, though. If it gets any character info, it'll probably be in TV Magazine.--Apcog 17:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Addendum Two: Another page on the site indicates that manga will also be included with the toys, a la the Japanese G2 releases.--Apcog 17:09, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Henkei

We're definately considering Henkei! Henkei whatever as just Japanese classics right? So no need for them to go under their own sub-heading in toy sections? --FFN 16:18, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

But it has it's own name, gonna have mangas, and all the toys are special repaints. They need their own space. --Hepathos 22:28, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, I can't read Japanese, but if the Henkei! Henkei! manga has anything which indicates a divergent continuity from TFCC's Classicverse, then I think it should be treated as such. (Mind you, since everything in Japan now supposedly fits into one unified continuity, shouldn't the Japanese version of anything be considered incompatible with the Western version, since it certainly doesn't and can't conform to such a conglomo-continuity?) But like I said, I can't read Japanese. PP 07:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)PacifistPrime.
Well, it looks like Henkei is expanding well and beyond the 'Japanese version of Classics', even though it may be themed as such. Since it's now using Universe figures, includes its own backstory and manga (which isn't Classics-verse), I'm thinking it's pretty much time to give it it's own space. Vanguard 22:07, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Minor nit. The Skywarp and Thundercracker Henkei exclusives are redecos of the Henkei Starscream mold, not a direct 're-release' of either Botcon Thundercracker or Target Skywarp. I'll change the text shortly. - Vanguard 04:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Tankor

it would be keeping inline with everything else if the actual name of the toy came first and then the note what it was originally based on/intended to be OctaneGspro15198 17:12, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Which would be nice if you had used correct capitalisation and spacing in your edit. --FFN 17:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Oops meant to hit preview before save page there. My bad Gspro15198 17:26, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Universe 2008

So if we're listing the new Classics toys here.... why does this page exist? Aren't they one and the same? -- Repowers 17:45, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't like this. The line ISN'T "Classics", despite internal/fan nomenclature for a certain batch of figures. It's under "Universe", and it's a catchall. This page should LINK to Universe 2008, ("the 'classics' theme would continue in the 2008 'Universe' line" or someshit), and the toys should be listed THERE. Otherwise, we're spreading misinformation, and we might as well lump Energon and Cybertron into the Armada article. --M Sipher 20:33, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
That's kinda what I thought. Keeping up with the latest toy news ain't my specialty, though, so I wanted to verify. -- Repowers 20:49, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Dealing with the "Games of Deception" figures has put this into sharper clarity for me. Obviously, based on my edit to this effect, I think those guys should be listed here, despite the Timelines umbrella franchise they're in. They have Classics-style packaging (the only rule so far) and are most definitely meant to be part of Classics fiction. But, if we separate all the Classic-Series-labeled Universe toys, then logically we should separate all the Timelines guys too. So then we're making anyone who wants to learn about all the Classics toys have to go to three different places for it. I don't think the umbrella franchises should dictate such otherwise-meaningless splits in how we organize these things, especially when the original franchises haven't ceased existing. When Energon appeared, Armada vanished, but the new Classics toys do indeed say "Classic Series" on them. And I don't know about the Robot Heroes packaging, but certainly Hasbro's website is still using that name too. I'd rather see the Universe page have sections that say "See Classics (Universe 2008)" and "See Robot Heroes (Universe 2008)" than the current reverse situation. It seems so much more relevant. I would suggest duplicating the information, but that could get tedious as time goes on. - Jackpot 22:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
The way I see it, while Robot Heroes are the the same thing whether they're released on their own or put under the Movie or Universe franchise, and thus belongs all on the same page, "Classics" and "Classic Series" are actually two different things. Classics was toyline unto itself, one that has ended. Classic Series is a thematically-identical but technically new line under the Universe banner. --KilMichaelMcC 00:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't see the semantic difference between "Classics" and "Classic Series" being enough to cause a split while all the Robot Heroes stay congruent. - Jackpot 00:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Ultimately, they're two smaller toylines that got rolled into a larger one.--RosicrucianTalk 00:51, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
It's not just about semantics. Classics was a toyline unto itself, and the main Transformers line between Cybertron and the Movie. A toyline which ended. Robot Heroes is something altogether different. --KilMichaelMcC 00:52, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Your definition of "ended" is apparently different than mine. Put all the Classics and Classic Series toys together, and I see one continuum. The time-gap between the two is, to my mind, essentially irrelevant. - Jackpot 01:40, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
A continuum that includes new Armada toys! --ItsWalky 03:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
I feel I should point out that the Mini-Con 12-pack, which is a Universe-branded set, has "Armada Series" on its boxback image, not "Classic Series". I maintain that the new Universe toys, regardless of series, should be lists on the Universe page... but the relevant other pages (Classics, BW, Armada) should then have a link to U08. --M Sipher 03:23, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Is the Hot Shot Universe toy actually going to be labelled as Classic Series and not something else, like "25th Anniversary" or whatever? --KilMichaelMcC 03:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Everything in Universe '09 is apparently going to be branded with a "25 years" logo in the corner, akin to G.I. Joe's 25th Anniversary logo. Beyond that, who knows. --ItsWalky 03:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't see any problem with toys appearing on more than one list. The Movie Robot Heroes should be on the Movie page, and they should also be on the Robot Heroes page. As long as it's just a list, it's not a big deal. It's not like there's any editorial changes that could result in the data drifting apart between the two pages (the reason I'm so fanatically opposed to duplicating toy write-ups on multiple pages) -- it's just a list. -- Repowers 04:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Any time we duplicate information, the risk of data-drift exists. Especially since it's a growing list, it'll take some degree of vigilance on our part to make sure they stay identical, and updates don't just get tacked heedlessly onto whichever list someone happens upon. If that level of risk and work is acceptable for this Wiki, then I think it's the best solution to satisfy the various opinions here. (Well, maybe Kil would want more separation between "Classics" and "Classic Series," so I can't speak for him.) - Jackpot 21:04, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
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