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I hadn't got Joe/TF 4 #2 yet... fucking AWESOME. --M Sipher 04:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Ooh..uhh...sorry about the spoiler. --DrSpengler 04:57, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm not irked, but for future reference, use the {{spoiler}} template when updating with any just-recently-released comics/cartoons (well, save stuff where the "Coming soon" template would be more appropriate). --M Sipher 04:59, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Cool. Added the spoiler tag. About how long until we take it down? A month? --DrSpengler 05:07, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Thereabouts, yeah. --M Sipher 05:12, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Alternate meaning

Some fans use "Beastformer" as a term for any TF with an animal mode, does anyone else think that this article should include some kind of acknowledgment of that? --TVsGrady 00:24, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't. "Beastformer" had a specific meaning prior to being used in that way.--Chip 05:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
A disambiguation sounds reasonable. "____Former" is common enough in casual transfan discourse that a fan could arrive at this page expecting to or looking for information on all Beast-Transfomers. Although since the wiki usually uses American names, I'm not sure why the article isn't titled Battle Beasts.
What would the disambiguation even lead to? We don't have an article on animal Transformers in general, and I don't think we need to make one. --Suki Brits 00:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, in regards to the article being under the Japanese name, its because in none of the Battle Beasts' appearances in US Transformers fiction have they ever been identified as "Battle Beasts". I, personally, think the article should be called "Battle Beasts" since that's the logical equivalent to the Japanese name...but I got out-voted. --DrSpengler 23:38, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Wait, there was a vote? I would've been all in for Battle Beasts. I don't get why these guys are the lone exception to the "Western Names" rule.--MCRG 00:13, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Seconded. I could use it as an excuse to make Blackthorne Comics articles if we ever track down all four of those issues! :D -Rotty 00:23, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it's a little different here since there is no American name within Transformers for these guys, and we generally don't use extra-TF information. Regardless, it's not a big deal to me either way, but I do think that difference is worth noting. --Steve-o 01:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

What Steve said. If the Battle Beasts ever get more than unnamed cameos in US TF fiction (hey, who knows), then yeah, I'd say switch over to those names. But as of now, the only official, part-of-Transformers nomenclature for the little critters we have comes out of th eland of the rising sun... --M Sipher 03:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

If they're from the planet beest, let's just call them Beesties!--Zodberg 04:06, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Laser Beasts

Given that the laser beasts are explicitly from the same universe as the other Beastformers, shouldn't they be covered by the wiki? I know we don't cover every G.I. Joe, nor should we, but I see two key differences:

1) Beastformers aren't a separate property that's had crossovers with TF, but an actual offshoot of TF.

2) There is no organized Beastformer fandom to take care of this stuff for us.

I think it would at least be reasonable to cover the characters. Chip 03:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC) (Forgot to sign in)

Chip, is that you? :)
I agree, especially since the story booklet introducing the Laser Beasts gave a full-fledged origin story to the planet Beest, which we'd be remiss in excluding just because there weren't Autobot and Decepticon symbols on the pages. -Rotty 03:29, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I also cast my vote for "yes, please", if only because I wanna know the origin of planet Beest. --DrSpengler 03:45, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
No individual articles for characters not sold as TF's. But cover the info in a general article about Beastformers? Sure. -Derik 03:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Ahem. Chip 04:02, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, may want to check that policy. I say we do Laser Beasts solely because I have the Laser Beast card mural to stick on the page. Yes, that is an excellent reason indeed.--MCRG 06:12, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Japanese names?

Where do they come from? Have they been re-transliterated lately? I ask because I was trying to figure out "Beavup," and realized it could just as well be "Bebop."—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.20.88.10 (talkcontribs).

Years ago, the staff of the British TF fanzine InFormer got hold of a booklet (or photocopies of one) listing all the Beastformers and their names. They attempted to provide transliterations, but no one on staff had adequate katakana-reading skills. I saw the "translated" lists and, after getting copies of the original Japanese sheets, provided better translations. Even so, my Japanese skills have undergone much maturation (and some degradation) since. "Beavup" is a beaver, so now that I think of it, his name is conceivably a double-pun. "Beavop" would probably be the best compromise.--Apcog 06:26, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Laser Beasts manga

Okay, so after I translated the "Great Decisive Battle of Planet Beest" special, I caught the attention of the Battle Beasts fandom. A kind member sent me a copy of the Laser Beasts manga and asked me to help him translate some. Overlooking our discussion here on the Laser Beasts, it doesn't look like we came to so much as a conclusion as everyone just sort of lost interest.

So now that I've read the manga and know the origin of the Laser Beasts and Planet Beest, can I include it here on the wiki or are we going to ignore all that since there are no giant robots involved? --DrSpengler 22:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Waaaaait, wait, wait.
I call shennanigns
"Battle Beasts fandom"? You're making that up! - Chris McFeely 22:15, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
By "Battle Beasts fandom" I mean "the only Battle Beasts messageboard on the whole internet". --DrSpengler 23:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Hrrrrn. I... think... I could be persuaded to make an exception for more "general background" info on the planet, simply because where the hell else you gonna find this info? --M Sipher 00:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with even full articles for the Laser Beasts, the manga or anything Battlebeast related Japanese stuff. Unlike GI-Joe, Animorphs and Star Wars, the Battlebeast line was sold under the transformers brand from the start. The Japanese line's relation with Transformers isn't a crossover (like with GI Joe, SW, Animorphs or Marvel characters) or a Poorly Disguised Pilot (as with Power Rangers and Masked Rider), but a spinnoff. Plus, it seems weird to not cover the Laser Beasts and assoiated manga when we already cover the over 75% of the Japanese toyline and associated media. I feel an exception is warrented since we're already covering more than half of the Japanese franchise.--FortMax 01:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, I added the summary of the Laser Beasts manga to both this article and the planet Beest article. I have a list of all the Laser Beast toys, but I *really* don't want to create articles for every one of those little guys. If someone else would like to, though, I can share the wealth. It should also be noted that the term "manga" is a little misleading. The Laser Beasts "manga" is actually more of a photocomic, featuring pictures of the toys with dialogue and narration. I could add a pic or two to the page, but they aren't especially dynamic. Funny-lookin', though. --DrSpengler 01:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I'd be all over that info, and it's the kind of thing I can do at work pretty easy. Shoot me a message on the Spark... --M Sipher 02:08, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Sure. What I actually have are the first few pages of the manga book, which features all the toys with brief descriptions of their functions and what-not. They've already been translated and photoshopped by the guy who sent me the manga, so you won't have to read any Japanese. --DrSpengler 02:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

More Blackthorne details?

Am I really the only person who has all four issues of the American Battle Beast comic? I've added a teaser summary; if folks think it would be appropriate to give an issue-by-issue breakdown, let me know and I'll get around to it eventually. --Thylacine 2000 15:46, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

On one hand, holy shit, that's something to have because nobody else has it. On the other hand, it's not EXACTLY TF material. As much as I'd love to see a complete summary of the Battle Beasts comic, I don't think this is quite the right home for it. You could give a capsule synopsis, though, and I figure that's OK. -hx 16:47, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm frankly torn. We have been doing a little more Joestuff than is strictly TF material, but Joe and TF have some tight ties, as much as BB and TF. And it's not like there's ever going to be a Battle Beasts wiki. I'm tempted to let it slide, 'cuz there's some interesting stuff in there. I've been thinking about the Laser Beast stuff too... I mean, they are a continuation of the J-Beastformers story... --M Sipher 03:31, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
I say go for it. It won't hurt, or anything. The Laserbeasts stuff, too. --DrSpengler 14:40, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Dog character in Headmasters cartoon?

The dog guy who gets whipped by the frog guy causing Wheelie to kick frog guy's ass... doesn't look a bit like Danger Dog, in fact he doesn't look much like anything in the BB range, though there is a droopy-eared brown dog in blue armour, Dog Hunter. But he might arrive too late for it to be him? Actually dog-guy looks rather miserable and cute to be a Beastformer at all!

Actually weird walrus/coypu boss guy who talks to lion guy through the mirror is also rather different from Wolfgang Walrus (wrong costume, wrong costume colour, wrong skin/fur colour) and looks distinctly like a Sylvanian beaver with walrus teeth added.

Maybe we should fan-name these guys? I nominate "Depressed Dog" and "Warmaster Walrus".

-82.27.18.75 21:27, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

The walrus/coypu is actually supposed to be a sabertooth tiger Beastformer and his name is Platinum Tiger, better known as Saber Sword Tiger.

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