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Guess who's confirmed for this episode? --Hunter-113 19:13, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

EDITED FOR SPOILER --Dynamus Prime 22:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Disregard that, apparently it doesn't count if it hasn't aired in America.

--Hunter-113 10:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry we would prefer not to rely on second-hand information. And stop putting your signature on a separate line. —Interrobang 10:16, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Transformation

Does anyone else notice the Transformation sound throughout the first half of the episode? Like when Asteroid chin - er, I mean Sentinel MINOR!!! is giving his first stern talk to the platoon and when Bumblebee and Wasp first meet...


How to tell people NOT to update...

Do we have a big giant banner/template thing specifically for when we DO NOT want a page updated yet on pain of death, because news on something is unofficial, leeked, or simply would be an exeptionally annoying spoiler that a large chunk of the fandom may not want to know about? If yes we should put it bang at the top middle of all these upcomming episode pages. If not can we make one? --ZacWilliam 11:40, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Further information in this article is coming soon as it pertains to information that is not currently appropriate for inclusion.
See the relevant policy page for the reasons why, and do not add further information pending review.

No updatey until it airs in the western hemisphere.
Is the problem that we don't want a page updated until it airs in North America, or is the problem that we don't want people to fill in episode details unless they've seen the episode themselves?
I mean, if the episode aired, then the episode aired, presumably with Hasbro's approval. I would think we'd actually want to encourage our lucky non-North American counterparts to keep the wiki up to date.
If I, personally, as a resident of North America, don't want to get spoiled, it's my responsibility to stay away from the page in question. (I have the same problem with Devastation spoliers, since it hasn't been released in TPB yet.) JW 14:29, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
I actually think Devastation is in TPB now. Could have sworn I saw it at Borders. I'll have to double-check.--RosicrucianTalk 14:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Secondhand fillins are probably the greater concern- but really it's both. Being spoiled /badly/ by secondhand information that's been awkwardly grapevined by people wanting to shout "FIRST POST!!1" is even more annoying than simply being spoiled. -75.168.112.43 14:36, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Why is it both? I can understand not wanting to add possibly-garbled secondhand stuff. I can't understand prioritising the "Western Hemisphere" airings by themselves.
After all, GIGO was filled in before the episode aired to the Canuckleheads, and still hasn't aired in the middle bit of NA, AFAIK. Black Friday has been filled in and hasn't aired in NA at all. [Hell, Japanese episodes, including the "lost" episode of Energon, have been filled in when they're never going to air in NA at all!]
Why does a BotCon airing to a small audience get okayed, and a mass airing in a country outside of NA doesn't? - SanityOrMadness 15:14, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
I think the secondhand bit is the main concern here. A sufficient number of users were at the BotCon showings to check each other's work on those two episodes, and the spoilers have been confined to the episode articles themselves (IE they haven't been added to character articles yet). These episodes aired in the Middle East? Most of the existing synopses involve spotty reception that cut out at critical moments during the episode, and thus can't be considered reliable. As well, the episodes aren't widely available so people can't check each other's work. It just makes for bad methodology.--RosicrucianTalk 15:28, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
It also skips ahead 5 episodes in chronology, which is... spoilery-er than usual. No one's actually seen seen it except a handful of random fans- and there doesn't to be confidence that the ones updating this article are the ones who /have/ seen it. (Rather, the general belief seems to be that all the who-are-you's editing this article almost certainly haven't seen it.) That's bad, if no one's seen the episode (including the people editing it) how can we correct inaccuracies? -75.168.112.43 04:54, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

So, uh, why can we put up things like Swindle in SUV or Prowl's sidecar in Fistful with the "Dubai blackout" in place? 220.237.141.213 08:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

That North America mantra...

It is now entirely possible that this episode will get its' first English-language airing in the UK. Is the "only in North America" mantra still going to stick if that's the case? - SanityOrMadness 22:56, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

We may want to rethink that policy...seriously, why do the distributors hate American Transfans? -- SFH 23:05, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Might weaken a bit in that case. We've got a fair number of European users that could double-check the work. The problem wasn't that Dubai got it before anyone so much as that Dubai got it and nearly none of us could verify if the rumors from the Dubai leak were accurate or not because most of the English speakers who had seen it didn't have sound or didn't have complete transcripts. Makes it hellishly hard to write an article that's up to our standards, and certainly didn't help that most folks acting on the leaks were only focused on dropping spoilers not coherent article writing. I don't think distributors hate American venues. Both Cartoon Network and the moose have been putting out an episode a week pretty much like they're supposed to. It's not their fault others have gone beyond that.--RosicrucianTalk 23:08, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
'tis true. Once it airs in the UK, the original, as-intended english-language version of the episode will be as accessible to the United States as any of the past Canadian broadcasts have been (by which I mean, "It'll be online within the blink of a gnat's sphincter."), which, hey, is more than "Black Friday" has going for it. That's just not the case with the Dubai-broadcast episodes. I think if they had aired there, in English, and been uploaded, and everyone had watched them, then we wouldn't really have had such an issue about making articles for them, but since all there is to go on is photos, quick summaries, translations that can't tell us whether or not the dub reflects the intent of the English version and nothing but a desire to go "OMG SPOILER", rather than actually contribute significantly... well, y'know. - Chris McFeely 23:14, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
What Chris said. --M Sipher 00:00, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Where is Dubai? --Human in Disguise 16:57, 27 May 2008
The United Arab Emirates. Very wealthy place.--RosicrucianTalk 20:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I did not know that, thank you Rosicrucian.--Human in Disguise 17:01, 28 May 2008

Considering this is an English-language wiki, why not allow episode info to be posted if it has aired in a country where English is the official language (or at least one of them)? I'm pretty sure the UK counts, with the language being called English and all. Why make the issue more complicated than it needs to be? --Nightshade83 19:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

As you may have noticed... we are.--RosicrucianTalk 19:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I was suggesting that this be made official policy. --Nightshade83 19:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
It effectively is now. We have consensus, and McFeely is an admin (as well as our biggest spaz about spoilers).--RosicrucianTalk 19:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Okay then. That's all I was asking. --Nightshade83 19:59, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


Warning: Rage filled comment below

Hi, just a friendly U.S. based user here to tell you HOW ****ING PISSED OFF I AM THAT I GO TO MY FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD WIKI READY TO CONTRIBUTE TO SOME ARTICLES ONLY TO FIND CHARACTER SPOILERS ON THE MAIN PAGE VIA THE LATEST ACTIVITY SECTION. Has this episode been aired in the Americas? Have we changed our policy here? In any case I'll be leaving for a week, I have been avoiding pretty much every source of TF info besides this wiki since the Dubai incident spoiled so much of the season finale. I thought this wiki took a firm stance on spoilers, and I was safe as long as I kept up with The Moose. Now this. ****. (Undecided) 20:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I can understand your rage, but the policy was more of an "English-language only" thing, rather than "America only." The Dubai stuff was unverifiable foreign dubs (worsened by the frustrating ambivalence of new sites on the matter). This episode aired in the UK, in it's original intentnded English language, and is already online for downloading - which makes it precisely as available as the Canadaian broadcasts, and totally viable for inclusion. - Chris McFeely 20:29, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. What's important here is that it has aired in a major English-speaking market, thus making the information easily verifiable by a large portion of the wiki's users, keeping the articles factual and accurate. If it were anybody but McFeely busting out UK spoilers I'd be skeptical, but the guy's an admin and historically one of the best ones regarding how sensitive we need to be towards spoilers.--RosicrucianTalk 20:35, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Why doesnt Wasp has a page? WHY DOES UNIVERSE HATE WASPINATOR?

And I'm out

Just FYI, this is the only episode I'll actually be seeing this week, and I've got work and other commitments for the next four days. So I'm pretty much, uh, not going to be here, because I'm saving them up to marathon on Saturday evening, and don't want spoiled this late in the game. - Chris McFeely 19:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Longarm Prime

I listed him under the autobots heading in the featured character list i hope this is ok... Gspro15198 22:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

It is exactly correct to do this. Thank you.--RosicrucianTalk 22:37, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Joke needed

This article needs a joke involving "aboot" or "eh?". --FortMax 02:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Psuedo Cliffjumper?

Is it worth the time for me to create a page for the red Cliffjumper refference, seeing as he does do more than be a passing refference? If I remember, he acted as Sentinel's confidant of sorts and wheeled Wasp away. Metal Gear NOIZE 12:53, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Chin joke

The joke Bumblebee makes about Sentinel's chin is clearly a reference to the chin jokes that the fans maked when TFA begun to me. Should we add it as a trivia ?--213.49.72.213 14:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Autoguns "error"

Frankly, I don't think this is an error. he does indeed have reason to want to eliminate Bee. It's not enough to have Bee simply be suspiscious of Wasp. Especially since Bee can't prove anything. There was never really the chance to "prove" Wasp was a spy until the locker inspection. Having someone know that there is a traitor among them is a risk to the real spy's mission no matter WHO that someone thinks it is. It risks the word spreading and wider, more competent investigation. Encouraging Bee to focus on Wasp was only buying time... and the training exercise provided the opportunity to cut off any potential "spy" investigation by eliminating the one who knows something is up. --M Sipher 16:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree. And that doesn't surprise me to see that simulation guns also have a "real ammo" mode. Maybe they also make real ammo training from times to times. Remember Starship Troopers, anyone ?--213.49.72.213 17:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I also wondered if he was maybe trying to get rid of Bumblebee because BB knew there was a spy even though he was suspecting the wrong guy. Officially putting the blame on Wasp would then have been another contingency plan, eventually the better one. Also from my own military experience, yes, it's not uncommon at all to use the same weapons with both training ammo and live ammo. Changing rarely is as easy as throwing off a switch, but also rarely harder than switching ammo clips. Also also: while we're at it, regarding the other so-called error, yes, asteroids DO have gravity, like just about every object ever. As long as some asteroids around have enough mass scenes like the one pictured in the episode would be quite possible. Bobbington 18:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Wasp´s name goof

When did Bumblebee call Wasp by his name before it was given to him? Only time I register that, it was just before flashback started so it´s not a goof.

Added stuff

Hey, newish user here, trying to be on good behavior. I've added the quote of Megatron introducing Shockwave noting that (Shockwave) is a plot point this season, since he has been mentioned before and I'm sure after, too. I also added a continuity error and two misc trivia bits too. I also edited the quote of Sentinel Prime before he get squished to better match what he says in the cartoon, and put the caption below the picture of him about to be squished in proper tense. SteamFan42 06:49, 6 June 2008 (UTC)SteamFan42

First Caption

Should the year be 2108 instead of 2008? I thought animated was set in the 22nd century 78.32.44.57 16:39, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The show is, but the scene in question is from a flashback taking place an unknown time ago. Regardless, it's a joke. The episode aired in 2008, so that's the date used.--Apcog 16:53, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Shape Shifting, or Size Altering?

"In the Decepticon base, Megatron communicates once again with his double-agent... Longarm Prime! But the deception is a dual-layered one, for Longarm is, in fact, the shape-shifting Shockwave!"
"I knew your size-altering power would allow you to blend in perfectly with the Autobots"
I think we should change the way we word that bit in the article. ALL transformers "Shape Shift". It's what they do. But what has been often suggested so far is the Size Difference between Autobots and Decepticons (most of the time anyway... I think when they have been the same size, those have either been Spark/Key created ones, or Autobots gone bad), thus it being more a Size Shifting thing that allows Shockwave to blend in. Unless that's misquoted. it just sounds REALLY weird to call it Shape Shifting, when that's a feature common among all transformers. Shadow Mask Prime 18:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I took it that Shockwave's "size-changing" simply referred to his ability to adjust his limb length, the talent that got him accepted into the Elite Guard. We haven't yet seen how it applies to any differences between his real form and his Longarm disguise, though the point about Decepticons being generally much bigger than Autobots is something to consider. Until we see that properly, though, Shockwave's disguise seems more akin to Punch/Counterpunch's dual robot modes, though implemented differently, plotwise. As far as I can recall, the Punch-Counterpunch change has always been termed a "transformation" just like any other robot-to-alt-mode shift. Still, it's unique within this series, so there should be some way of identifying it in the description.--Apcog 22:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
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