I dislike refering to RiD as a first-contact story, as in episode 3, the train station personel recognized Optimus Prime, and seemed ot have a fairly good grasp of him being the good guy to Preds' bad guy. A perponderance of evidence within the cartoon would appear to indicate that RiD was not first-contact, but that there had been some previous period of public TF activity on Earth. (That activity being based on parts of the G1 cartoon.)
Also, the description of the Unicron Trilogy, though factually accurate, is muddled. I was glazing over while reading it.
- I've made some minor modifications to address your concerns. I at least partially agree with you about the RID thing -- the story told in the cartoon is clearly not the Transformers' first contact with humans in that timeline, as a big part of the story centers around TF contact with ancient humans. My original wording was a little clumsy.
- Also, I removed the mention of the manga that XBob put into the "prominant g1 continuities" list. If I'm mistaken about this, somebody should feel free to put it back in again, but I was under the impression that the manga wasn't, in general, in-continuity with the TV shows. I had already made mention of the manga's existence in the Japanese continuities section, and I think that is probably sufficient. Certainly among English-speakings fans at least, the G1 manga is not a "prominant" continuity.
- As a reminder to everyone using Talk pages, please sign your comments so other editors can tell who said what and when they said it. You can sign automatically by writing four tilde (~) characters in a row. There is even a "signature" button at the top of the edit area which will insert this automatically.
- --Steve-o 05:55, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
That's good to know. Thanks.--G.B. Blackrock 18:29, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
>>Also, I removed the mention of the manga that XBob put into the "prominant g1 continuities" list. If I'm mistaken about this, somebody should feel free to put it back in again, but I was under the impression that the manga wasn't, in general, in-continuity with the TV shows. I had already made mention of the manga's existence in the Japanese continuities section, and I think that is probably sufficient. Certainly among English-speakings fans at least, the G1 manga is not a "prominant" continuity.<<
IIRC The G1 Manga's plosts were so simple(Save the animals from the Destrons!!!) that theres hardly any chance for contradiction, same thing goes for 2010 and Headmasters. The masterforce, and the victory manga however do conterdict. And the Zone-Operation Combination mangas seem to be in contuity with the TV show If I'm not mistaken X-BoB58
- A note in the final paragraph (the one mentioning the manga) about how those fit into continuity would be appropriate, then. But you should also find out about the other, non-G1 manga if you want to include that, so readers aren't confused. But the in-continuity status of those is worth at least a brief mention. --Suki Brits 21:20, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
- The Zone manga is a retelling of the first OVA episode. However, the character designs for Kain, Akira and the Destron Demon-Generals are all different. As well, Bruticus shows up (he wasn't in the OVA) and the homoerotic subtext between Akira and Kain doesn't seem present. Otherwise, the events happen more-or-less as animated.--Monzo 03:10, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
The beastwars II and Neo Manga's arn't in continuity, and I don't think the UT mangas are either(withn the exception of linkage)
XBob, everything Takara or Hasbro publishes is "canon" in that it's "official." Transformers has no singular canon other than the recent notion of a unified multiverse. The phrase "aren't in canon" has basically no meaning pertaining to Transformers fiction. --ItsWalky 01:04, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Zac made some edits to the page, most of which I like, but I, personally, have a strong preference for the old opening sentence. I recognize that my opening was a little unusual-sounding, but it was direct and specific. So... rather than just reverting it I figured I'd see if anybody else cares? Did everyone, on reading my old opening, think "what the hell is he on about?" If so, I'll let it go. (Although I do think that at the least, the mention of comic books in the new one is unnecessary and just gets in the way.) --Steve-o 16:12, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
- I preferred your original opening statement, which was more clear, so I reverted. --ItsWalky 16:52, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
I am sure some will think the added image contains some mistakes (and some lacks, it's already several years old), but it still illustrate the subject quite well and give a rather good recap of the whole thing--GUIGUI 02:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
It's my understanding that Galaxy Force has been reconciled with the rest of the Japanese Unicron Trilogy, though the explanation didn't comefrom the cartoon proper. Is that correct?Chip 06:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- I think you're referring to the DVD booklet that connected Unicron to Planet X and explained the ending images. Interrobang 06:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
The impossible japanese continuity retcon
I don't read Japanese, but I can already feel just how auto-contradicting the G1 storyline retcon on the new TakaraTomy site is: http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/table.html Is it possible to not recognize it canon despite it being official?
What I want to know is where that image of Cerebros transforming into Fortress's head came from. I don't recall Fortress's head transforming into anything in the Headmasters show, and I know those aren't Rebirth models. --FortMax 23:00, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- It's from Headmasters, alright, from the singular time that transformation happened, in the flashback episode to when the Headmasters were learning to transform. - Chris McFeely 23:40, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, that timeline is a bit of a clusterfuck. Trying to shoehorn Car Robot in there is especially painful. Though, this sort of "official yet non-sensical timeline" thing isn't exclusive to Transformers. Shigeru Miyamoto once belted out a Zelda timeline which has been ignored by just about everyone because it made absolutely no sense. --DrSpengler 23:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- The Zelda time line is not ignored. A lot of people consider each game happens in the same universe in the same continuity. It's just the correct order that has never been clearly figured out. But that's beside the point. So back to the it, using that Zelda/Shigy case is not really a good argument to rule out that new retcon.
- T'would seem to me that the only real problem is the random insertion of Car Robots - everything else that has been retroactively inserted into the G1 timeline (Robot Masters, Binaltech, Kiss Players) has managed to fit itself in there through the use of enough fiddly stuff to work fairly well. Binaltech, but the end of it's own story, has been diverged off as an alternate universe, while Robot Masters allowed itself to work through time travel, and as insane as Kiss Players is, they kept their ducks in a row, and by the end of the story everything was in a position to allow 2010 to occur unmolested (heh). It even managed to explain Daniel's lack of aging between the movie and 2010. Well, I'm assuming Prime, er, died again. - Chris McFeely 01:13, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- Except the new movie is in there too; or does the red color mean something different? (And I like the entry for the launch of Voyager, heh)EricMarrs 01:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- The red colors are just signifying that those two white trails are part of the same line. The red is the hyphen at the linebreak, so to speak. I think it's safe to say that Car Robots is part of J-G1 while RiD is not part of US-G1. Sort of like how, for most of Galaxy Force, it was not considered part of the UT over there, but Cybertron definitely was over here. (Of course, that's not the case anymore. See the same page.) There are plenty of US materials that contradict the Japanese G1 timeline. --ItsWalky 02:00, 8 March 2007 (UTC)