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{{disambig2|the nameless Transformer in Transformers: The Movie|the franchise '''Armada'''|Armada}}
   
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[[Image:Cyclonus armada tftf.jpg|thumb|300px|Who cares if the President doesn't exist? He's a great American!]]
   
'''Cyclonus's armada''' refers to the one <small>(or more)</small> seemingly identical robots created by Unicron at the same time as [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.
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'''Cyclonus' Armada''' refers to the group of one <small>(or more)</small> seemingly identical robot created by Unicron at the same time as [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]]. The only one seen being created was derived from either [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] or [[Bombshell]].
   
The armada is, in general, a monumental headache for a number of reasons. The basic idea was for Cyclonus to have an group of followers identical to him in design, as a natural counterpart to [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]'s [[Sweep]]s. This is evidenced by the description for them given in the movie's script:
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==Fiction==
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===Cartoon continuity===
   
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[[Image:Cycloni ffod5.jpg|thumb|left|Five Cycloni/Cyclonuses/Cyclonae<!-- Five Cyclonieses--> in "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5". Appropriate.]]
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<!--Cyclonus: "You should not have destroyed Starscream, Mighty Galvatron. He would, at the very least, know how to run Toei's animation department better."-->
   
:<tt>CYCLONUS is CREATED and then his "armada" of similar, but smaller and similarly colored and clad creatures are formed.</tt>
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[[Unicron]] creates Cyclonus' Armada from either [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] or [[Bombshell]]. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}
   
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At least four jets of Cyclonus' design take part in an assault on Cybertron, being seen on two occasions. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}
   
However, while the original [[Transformers: The Movie (Marvel Comics)|comic book adaptation]] of the movie followed through with this intention (in terms of art, if not dialogue), the actual movie itself did anything but. Only ''one'' armada robot is shown to be created onscreen, and promptly vanishes from the film mere seconds later, replaced in the group (generally speaking) by a third Sweep.
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{{note|It is a rare thing, however, to find this scene taken seriously, given just how rife with errors the whole five-parter is, although you ''might'' have room to argue that if Bombshell were the Armada (see below for that mess), then he ''might'' still be able to clone himself to produce more Armada robots.}}
   
Consequently, opinions differ on the armada's actual "existence", with some arguing that since Cyclonus's personal army was dropped in production and removed from the film immediately after being introduced, its inclusion is little more than an error, and should be ignored.
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==Later appearances==
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===Universe: Featuring the Wreckers===
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Thanks to his time as Cyclonus' lackey, Skywarp is bitter at Cyclonus. {{storylink|Wreckers: Finale Part II}}
   
===Five Faces of Darkness===
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===Transformers: The Animated Movie===
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[[Image:Armada idw20th boom.jpg|thumb|right|For a guy who died so quickly, he sure created a lot of problems.]]
   
[[Image:Cycloni ffod5.jpg|thumb|Five Cyclonuseses in Five Faces of Darkness part 5. Appropriate.]]
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A jet identical to Cyclonus was destroyed by a blast of fire-breath from [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'s fire-breath. {{storylink|To the Death-And Beyond!}}
   
At least four jets of Cyclonus' design take part in the final assault on Cybertron in "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5]]", appearing in a single shot on two occasions. It is a rare thing, however, to find this scene taken seriously, given just how rife with errors the whole mini-series is, although you ''might'' have room to argue that if Bombshell were the armada (see below for that mess), then he might still be able to clone himself to produced more armada robots.
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{{note|Although Grimlock did indeed use his fire-breath in this manner in the movie itself, his target was unambiguously Cyclonus himself with [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] inside. While Cyclonus survived that encounter with little damage, his lookalike in the comic goes kersplodey with equal unambiguity.}}
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===Transformers: The Animated Movie===
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==Origins==
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The Armada is, in general, a monumental headache for a number of reasons. The basic idea was for Cyclonus to have an group of followers identical to him in design, as a natural counterpart to [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]'s [[Sweep]]s. This is evidenced by the description for them given in the movie's script:
   
[[Image:Armada idw20th boom.jpg|thumb|left|For a guy who died so quickly, he sure created a lot of problems.]]
 
   
[[IDW]]'s 2006 ''[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]]'' comic, a faithful retelling of the 1986 movie, inserts its own "explanation" for what happened to the armada, showing a jet identical to Cyclonus being destroyed by a blast of fire-breath from [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'s fire-breath. Although Grimlock did indeed use his fire-breath in this manner in the movie itself, his target was unambiguously Cyclonus himself with [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] inside. While Cyclonus survived that encounter with little damage, his lookalike in the comic goes kersplodey with equal unambiguity.
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:<tt>CYCLONUS is CREATED and then his "armada" of similar, but smaller and similarly colored and clad creatures are formed.</tt>
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==Who is the armada?==
 
   
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However, while the original [[Transformers: The Movie (Marvel Comics)|comic book adaptation]] of the movie followed through with this intention (in terms of art, if not dialogue), the actual movie itself did anything but. Only ''one'' armada robot is shown to be created onscreen, and promptly vanishes from the film mere seconds later, while the number of Sweeps seems to increase from the mere ''two'' who are shown being created to... well, as many as they need.
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Consequently, opinions differ on the Armada's actual "existence", with some arguing that since Cyclonus' personal army was dropped in production and removed from the film immediately after being introduced, its inclusion is little more than an error, and should be ignored.
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===Who is the Armada?===
 
[[Image:Wreckersskywarpcyclonus.jpg|thumb|left|Oy.]]
 
[[Image:Wreckersskywarpcyclonus.jpg|thumb|left|Oy.]]
   
The armada's identity prior to re-creation somewhat fraught, tied up as it is with the question of [[Cyclonus (G1)#Who_is_Cyclonus.3F|who Cyclonus is]]. In the finished film, [[Bombshell]] is shown being transformed into Cyclonus by Unicron, while [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] becomes the solitary armada robot. But, some fans reason, if the armada promptly disappears and is replaced with a Sweep, then the animation of the recreation scene is erroneous. This, then, opens up the scene to interpretation, and has left a lot of fans asking who actually became the one true Cyclonus{{m-}}Bombshell or Skywarp? As a knock-on effect of that, the identity of the armada is also called into question{{m-}}even though it is a fairly pointless question, since, if the armada does actually exist, then there's no problem, and no reason to question the visuals, beyond an obstinate desire on the behalf of the person doing the questioning for their [[personal canon|preference]] to be "true."
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The Armada's identity prior to re-creation somewhat fraught, tied up as it is with the question of [[Cyclonus (G1)#Who_is_Cyclonus.3F|who Cyclonus is]]. In the finished film, [[Bombshell]] is shown being transformed into (presumably) Cyclonus by Unicron, while [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] becomes the solitary Armada robot.
   
 
[[Image:Armadadecepticon.jpg|thumb|Sticker from the 2007 'Masterpiece' Skywarp]]
 
[[Image:Armadadecepticon.jpg|thumb|Sticker from the 2007 'Masterpiece' Skywarp]]
   
Confusion of the matter aside, the vast preponderance of subsequent sources simply agree with the visuals of the recreation scene as depicted in the movie, showing Cyclonus to be created from Bombshell, and the armada to have been made from Skywarp. IDW's movie adaptation does so, and [[BotCon]]'s ''[[Universe (comic)|Universe]]'' comics feature Cyclonus and Skywarp existing side-by-side, inferring that the armada was Skywarp and was eventually changed back to his original form. Additionally, the 2007 Masterpiece Skywarp toy includes an 'Armada Decepticon' sticker which seems to indicate Skywarp did indeed become the armada.
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Confusion of the matter aside, the vast preponderance of subsequent sources simply agree with the visuals of the recreation scene as depicted in the movie, showing Cyclonus to be created from Bombshell, meaning that the one-ship Armada{{m-}}if it exists at all{{m-}}was made from Skywarp.
   
There are ''some'' pieces of nominally official material that go the other route{{m-}}most prominently, the profiles written by Australian fans for the 2003 [[Madman Entertainment]] DVD release of the movie, later used on several UK [[Metrodome]] DVDs, which state with complete unambiguity that Skywarp became Cyclonus. Generally speaking, no one really takes this seriously, since it's obvious it was written by a fan who was pushing their interpretation of the matter, and not proof-read by anyone who would dispute it.
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This may all be moot; everyone but Megatron involved in Unicron's re-creation appears to have been ''dead'', so neither Cyclonus nor his Armada should remember their previous existence any more than [[Hook, Line, and Sinker]] do. Notably, both Cyclonus's Marvel Comics ''[[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)|Transformers Universe]]'' profile and his [[Heroes of Cybertron]] bio actually state that he was forged from the remains of ''several'' Decepticons.
 
   
 
==External links==
 
==External links==
 
* [http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/tidbits/tftm_script.txt Original script for ''The Transformers: The Movie'']
 
* [http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/tidbits/tftm_script.txt Original script for ''The Transformers: The Movie'']
 
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9xbI5a1ilk Galvatron's re-creation scene] — on YouTube
 
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9xbI5a1ilk Galvatron's re-creation scene] — on YouTube
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Latest revision as of 09:09, May 7, 2013

This article is about the nameless Transformer in Transformers: The Movie. For the franchise Armada, see Armada.

Cyclonus armada tftf

Who cares if the President doesn't exist? He's a great American!

Cyclonus' Armada refers to the group of one (or more) seemingly identical robot created by Unicron at the same time as Cyclonus. The only one seen being created was derived from either Skywarp or Bombshell.

FictionEdit

Cartoon continuityEdit

Cycloni ffod5

Five Cycloni/Cyclonuses/Cyclonae in "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5". Appropriate.

Unicron creates Cyclonus' Armada from either Skywarp or Bombshell. The Transformers: The Movie

At least four jets of Cyclonus' design take part in an assault on Cybertron, being seen on two occasions. Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5

Note: It is a rare thing, however, to find this scene taken seriously, given just how rife with errors the whole five-parter is, although you might have room to argue that if Bombshell were the Armada (see below for that mess), then he might still be able to clone himself to produce more Armada robots.

Universe: Featuring the WreckersEdit

Thanks to his time as Cyclonus' lackey, Skywarp is bitter at Cyclonus. Wreckers: Finale Part II

Transformers: The Animated MovieEdit

Armada idw20th boom

For a guy who died so quickly, he sure created a lot of problems.

A jet identical to Cyclonus was destroyed by a blast of fire-breath from Grimlock's fire-breath. To the Death-And Beyond!

Note: Although Grimlock did indeed use his fire-breath in this manner in the movie itself, his target was unambiguously Cyclonus himself with Galvatron inside. While Cyclonus survived that encounter with little damage, his lookalike in the comic goes kersplodey with equal unambiguity.

OriginsEdit

The Armada is, in general, a monumental headache for a number of reasons. The basic idea was for Cyclonus to have an group of followers identical to him in design, as a natural counterpart to Scourge's Sweeps. This is evidenced by the description for them given in the movie's script:


CYCLONUS is CREATED and then his "armada" of similar, but smaller and similarly colored and clad creatures are formed.


However, while the original comic book adaptation of the movie followed through with this intention (in terms of art, if not dialogue), the actual movie itself did anything but. Only one armada robot is shown to be created onscreen, and promptly vanishes from the film mere seconds later, while the number of Sweeps seems to increase from the mere two who are shown being created to... well, as many as they need.

Consequently, opinions differ on the Armada's actual "existence", with some arguing that since Cyclonus' personal army was dropped in production and removed from the film immediately after being introduced, its inclusion is little more than an error, and should be ignored.

Who is the Armada?Edit

Wreckersskywarpcyclonus

Oy.

The Armada's identity prior to re-creation somewhat fraught, tied up as it is with the question of who Cyclonus is. In the finished film, Bombshell is shown being transformed into (presumably) Cyclonus by Unicron, while Skywarp becomes the solitary Armada robot.

Armadadecepticon

Sticker from the 2007 'Masterpiece' Skywarp

Confusion of the matter aside, the vast preponderance of subsequent sources simply agree with the visuals of the recreation scene as depicted in the movie, showing Cyclonus to be created from Bombshell, meaning that the one-ship Armada—if it exists at all—was made from Skywarp.

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