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{{disambig2|the nameless Transformer in Transformers: The Movie|the franchise '''Armada'''|Armada}}
   
[[Image:Cyclonus armada tftf.jpg|thumb|250px|Who cares if the President doesn't exist? He's a great American!]]
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[[Image:Cyclonus armada tftf.jpg|thumb|300px|Who cares if the President doesn't exist? He's a great American!]]
   
'''Cyclonus's Armada''' refers to the one <small>(or more)</small> seemingly identical robots created by Unicron at the same time as [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] in [[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)| the 1986 movie]]. The Armada is something of a continuity headache, partly because of the question of [[Cyclonus (G1)#Who is Cyclonus?|who Cyclonus is]], and partly because the single robot shown being created immediately disappears from the film, to be replaced <small>(generally speaking)</small> with an additional [[Sweep]].
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'''Cyclonus' Armada''' refers to the group of one <small>(or more)</small> seemingly identical robot created by Unicron at the same time as [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]]. The only one seen being created was derived from either [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] or [[Bombshell]].
   
As Cyclonus's personal forces, the Armada is/are the logical counterpart to [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]'s [[Sweep]]s. The script for the movie refers to them thusly:
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==Fiction==
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===Cartoon continuity===
   
:<tt>CYCLONUS is CREATED and then his "armada" of similar, but smaller and similarly colored and clad creatures are formed.</tt>
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[[Image:Cycloni ffod5.jpg|thumb|left|Five Cycloni/Cyclonuses/Cyclonae<!-- Five Cyclonieses--> in "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5". Appropriate.]]
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<!--Cyclonus: "You should not have destroyed Starscream, Mighty Galvatron. He would, at the very least, know how to run Toei's animation department better."-->
   
The actual ''number'' of robots in the 'Armada' are unknown. While Unicron had only six Decepticons to transform<ref>Six Decepticons; [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]], [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]], [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]], and [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] were ejected from [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]</ref> at least ''five'' Sweeps are seen at one point in this scene, and the inclusion of the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]], with the ability to clone themselves, makes the actually numbering ambiguous.<ref>Either more than the 6 Transformers seen were present (likely in the form of more Insecticon clones) or the Sweeps (and the Armada?) retained the Insecticons' cloning abilities. Or [[Beorht|a wizard]] did it.</ref>.
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[[Unicron]] creates Cyclonus' Armada from either [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] or [[Bombshell]]. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}
   
Opinions differ on the armada's actual "existence". Since Cyclonus's personal army was dropped in production, and the figure disappears from the film after the re-creation scene, some argue its inclusion is little more than an error, and should be ignored. The term 'Armada' or 'Cyclonus's armada' is used to refer to the continuity-headache it represents (almost like a label) without implying anything about a fan's [[personal canon|individual belief]] in its/their existence/nonexistence.
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At least four jets of Cyclonus' design take part in an assault on Cybertron, being seen on two occasions. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}
   
==The armada's fate==
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{{note|It is a rare thing, however, to find this scene taken seriously, given just how rife with errors the whole five-parter is, although you ''might'' have room to argue that if Bombshell were the Armada (see below for that mess), then he ''might'' still be able to clone himself to produce more Armada robots.}}
===The Movie===
 
[[Image:Armada idw20th boom.jpg|thumb|left|For a who died so quickly, he sure created a lot of problems.]]
 
[[IDW]]'s 2006 [[Transformers: The Animated Movie]] comic, a faithful retelling of the 1986 movie, shows a jet identical to Cyclonus being destroyed by [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'s fire-breath. This is generally interpreted as the comic's "explanation" for the Armada's subsequent disappearance in the movie- it was destroyed in its first combat encounter.
 
   
''Grimlock does indeed use his firebreath like this in the movie itself, but the target of his wrath was unambiguously Cyclonus himself with [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] inside. However while Cyclonus survived that encounter with little damage- his lookalike in the comic goes kersplodey with equal unambiguity.''
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===Five Faces of Darkness===
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===Universe: Featuring the Wreckers===
[[Image:Cycloni ffod5.jpg|thumb|Four jets of this type are seen at once in Five Faces of Darkness.]]
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Thanks to his time as Cyclonus' lackey, Skywarp is bitter at Cyclonus. {{storylink|Wreckers: Finale Part II}}
At least four jets of Cyclonus' design<ref>Four jets of Cyclonus's design are seen in a single shot on two separate occasions.</ref> take part in the final assault on Cybertron in "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5]]", although admittedly that miniseries was rife with blatant animation errors.
 
   
It has also been ''suggested'' that [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]'s battle with [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] and [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] (where the latter two are apparently destroyed) is 'actually' supposed to be a battle with the armada. And indeed, after this battle only two jets of Cyclonus's type are seen together. However, Dirge and Ramjet had speaking roles, and were in-character at the time. And were later seen to be alive.<ref>Dirge played a prominent role in "[[Ghost in the Machine]]".</ref> ''And'' Dirge was implied to be dead.<ref>[[Octane (G1)|Octane]] bumps into what he seems to believe is Dirge's [[Transformer funerary practices#Decepticons|funerary marker]] in the [[Decepticon Crypt]] in "[[Starscream's Ghost]]". (He does not mention Dirge by name.)</ref> And Dirge died in the movie too.<ref>[[Unicron|*burp*]]</ref>''<nowiki>*sigh*</nowiki> It's something of a mess.''
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===Transformers: The Animated Movie===
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[[Image:Armada idw20th boom.jpg|thumb|right|For a guy who died so quickly, he sure created a lot of problems.]]
   
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A jet identical to Cyclonus was destroyed by a blast of fire-breath from [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'s fire-breath. {{storylink|To the Death-And Beyond!}}
   
Regardless, the general consensus is that Cyclonus's armada, whatever their numbers, no longer exist by the time "Five Faces of Darkness" ends and the 3rd season of the cartoon proper begins.
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{{note|Although Grimlock did indeed use his fire-breath in this manner in the movie itself, his target was unambiguously Cyclonus himself with [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] inside. While Cyclonus survived that encounter with little damage, his lookalike in the comic goes kersplodey with equal unambiguity.}}
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==Proper name?==
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==Origins==
Reasoning that '''Armada''' might as well be a proper name since there's only one of him, many fans refer to Cyclonus's doppelgänger in the recreation scene by that name.
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The Armada is, in general, a monumental headache for a number of reasons. The basic idea was for Cyclonus to have an group of followers identical to him in design, as a natural counterpart to [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]'s [[Sweep]]s. This is evidenced by the description for them given in the movie's script:
   
In the original movie script Unicron uses the same rote format to introduce both Scourge and Cyclonus, and the word 'armada' is used in the same place the descriptive 'huntsmen' is for the Sweeps;
 
   
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:<tt>CYCLONUS is CREATED and then his "armada" of similar, but smaller and similarly colored and clad creatures are formed.</tt>
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|" ||Scourge, ||the tracker.... ||and his huntsmen... ||the Sweeps... ||"
 
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|" ||Cyclonus, ||the warrior... ||and his armada.... || ||"
 
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As envisioned in the original script, 'armada' is not a proper noun. However, the 2006 comic adaption <small>(which added the destruction of a single Cyclonus-type Jet during Galvatron's raid on [[Autobot City]])</small> parsed things differently;
 
   
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However, while the original [[Transformers: The Movie (Marvel Comics)|comic book adaptation]] of the movie followed through with this intention (in terms of art, if not dialogue), the actual movie itself did anything but. Only ''one'' armada robot is shown to be created onscreen, and promptly vanishes from the film mere seconds later, while the number of Sweeps seems to increase from the mere ''two'' who are shown being created to... well, as many as they need.
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|" ||'''SCOURGE''', ||THE TRACKER.... ||...AND HIS HUNTSMEN— ||'''THE SWEEPS'''! ||"
 
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|" ||'''CYCLONUS'''— ||THE WARRIOR... ||...AND HIS '''ARMADA'''! || ||"
 
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So while Armada was ''intended'' to be an improper noun, at least one source has treated it as a ''proper'' noun. Since ''that'' source (the 2006 comic) is the only one to explicitly address the 'problem' of the Armada... one could argue that it should have the final word. ...or not.
 
   
==Who is the armada?==
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Consequently, opinions differ on the Armada's actual "existence", with some arguing that since Cyclonus' personal army was dropped in production and removed from the film immediately after being introduced, its inclusion is little more than an error, and should be ignored.
[[Image:Armadadecepticon.jpg|thumb|Sticker from the 2007 'Masterpiece' Skywarp]]
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===Who is the Armada?===
 
[[Image:Wreckersskywarpcyclonus.jpg|thumb|left|Oy.]]
 
[[Image:Wreckersskywarpcyclonus.jpg|thumb|left|Oy.]]
The Armada's identity prior to re-creation somewhat fraught; there may be more than one of him/them, but it's also tied up in the question of [[Cyclonus (G1)#Who_is_Cyclonus.3F|who is Cyclonus?]].
 
   
Traditional [[fan-reasoning]] is that [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] were more prominent characters, and should have becomes [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]]. ''Unfortunately'' every visual representation ever, spanning 20+ years, has shown Cyclonus to be created from [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]].<ref>Of course, the 2003 Australian movie DVD claims Bombshell became a [[Sweep]], but we don't think those character profiles were approved by Hasbro, fans tend to ignore them.</ref><ref>Bombshell was also at Starscream's subsequent coronation. Or maybe it was [[Salvo]]. Or maybe Cyclonus was Salvo. Skywarp was at the coronation too. ''*sigh* It's something of a mess.''</ref>
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The Armada's identity prior to re-creation somewhat fraught, tied up as it is with the question of [[Cyclonus (G1)#Who_is_Cyclonus.3F|who Cyclonus is]]. In the finished film, [[Bombshell]] is shown being transformed into (presumably) Cyclonus by Unicron, while [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] becomes the solitary Armada robot.
   
The 2007 'Masterpriece' Skywarp toy includes a 'Armada Decepticon' sticker which seems to indicate Skywarp did indeed become the Armada. Of course, a 2003 DVD profile states unequivocally that Skywarp became Cyclonus.<ref>It also states Cyclonus and Scourge are 'Unicrons.' Just ignore it, we all do!</ref> In the [[Beast Era]], Cyclonus and Skywarp were running around at the same time, so either Skywarp became an/the Armada, or there's some really nasty [[budding]] involved.
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[[Image:Armadadecepticon.jpg|thumb|Sticker from the 2007 'Masterpiece' Skywarp]]
   
This may all be moot; everyone but Megatron involved in Unicrons' re-creation appears to have been ''dead'', so neither Cyclonus nor his Armada should remember their previous existence any more than [[Hook, Line, and Sinker]] do. Several sources<ref>That same unreliable DVD release, Cyclonus [[Heroes of Cybertron]] PVC, much more reliably.</ref> actually state that Cyclonus was forged from the remains of ''several'' Decepticons.
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Confusion of the matter aside, the vast preponderance of subsequent sources simply agree with the visuals of the recreation scene as depicted in the movie, showing Cyclonus to be created from Bombshell, meaning that the one-ship Armada{{m-}}if it exists at all{{m-}}was made from Skywarp.
   
Headaches and confusion aside, the vast preponderance of sources agree that Skywarp became the Armada (or at least one of them.)
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==Fan wub==
 
[[Image:Cyclonus oddity armadaesque.jpg|thumb|100px|Nobody tell [[e-Hobby]]. I will ''murder'' you.]]
 
Um... kay... see, there's this one ''guy'', who's like- totally just like Cyclonus, only he has different colors...
 
 
And I know we don't, you know, ''count'' that kind of thing, because it's always just an animation error and stuff? Like it was supposed to be Dirge, or a Cyclonus-lookalike and some colorist screwed up, and he's only in 1 frame of animation an' everything...?
 
 
...except, you know, he like, shows up again later, in the same color scheme, this time in jet mode, fully animated doing a bombing run. <small>(This is after Dirge dies too, so it's not him.)</small>
 
 
Soo... I know the ''usual'' standard for distinguishing a [[generic]] from a boo-boo is that it either has to make no sense for it to be a mistake, or it has to be repeated. And this one's ''totally'' repeated...
 
 
<small>pleasedonthateme</small>
 
 
'''Note:''' ''We will also murder you for telling e-Hobby about the [[Cybertronian Empire]] guy who looks just like Cyclonus.'' <tt>Cyclonus + e-Hobby = your murder</tt> ''can probably be thought of as a general rule.
 
 
==Footnotes==
 
<references/>
 
 
==External links==
 
==External links==
* [http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/tidbits/tftm_script.txt Original script for TF:TM]
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* [http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/tidbits/tftm_script.txt Original script for ''The Transformers: The Movie'']
 
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9xbI5a1ilk Galvatron's re-creation scene] — on YouTube
 
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9xbI5a1ilk Galvatron's re-creation scene] — on YouTube
 
 
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Latest revision as of 09:09, May 7, 2013

This article is about the nameless Transformer in Transformers: The Movie. For the franchise Armada, see Armada.

Cyclonus armada tftf

Who cares if the President doesn't exist? He's a great American!

Cyclonus' Armada refers to the group of one (or more) seemingly identical robot created by Unicron at the same time as Cyclonus. The only one seen being created was derived from either Skywarp or Bombshell.

FictionEdit

Cartoon continuityEdit

Cycloni ffod5

Five Cycloni/Cyclonuses/Cyclonae in "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5". Appropriate.

Unicron creates Cyclonus' Armada from either Skywarp or Bombshell. The Transformers: The Movie

At least four jets of Cyclonus' design take part in an assault on Cybertron, being seen on two occasions. Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5

Note: It is a rare thing, however, to find this scene taken seriously, given just how rife with errors the whole five-parter is, although you might have room to argue that if Bombshell were the Armada (see below for that mess), then he might still be able to clone himself to produce more Armada robots.

Universe: Featuring the WreckersEdit

Thanks to his time as Cyclonus' lackey, Skywarp is bitter at Cyclonus. Wreckers: Finale Part II

Transformers: The Animated MovieEdit

Armada idw20th boom

For a guy who died so quickly, he sure created a lot of problems.

A jet identical to Cyclonus was destroyed by a blast of fire-breath from Grimlock's fire-breath. To the Death-And Beyond!

Note: Although Grimlock did indeed use his fire-breath in this manner in the movie itself, his target was unambiguously Cyclonus himself with Galvatron inside. While Cyclonus survived that encounter with little damage, his lookalike in the comic goes kersplodey with equal unambiguity.

OriginsEdit

The Armada is, in general, a monumental headache for a number of reasons. The basic idea was for Cyclonus to have an group of followers identical to him in design, as a natural counterpart to Scourge's Sweeps. This is evidenced by the description for them given in the movie's script:


CYCLONUS is CREATED and then his "armada" of similar, but smaller and similarly colored and clad creatures are formed.


However, while the original comic book adaptation of the movie followed through with this intention (in terms of art, if not dialogue), the actual movie itself did anything but. Only one armada robot is shown to be created onscreen, and promptly vanishes from the film mere seconds later, while the number of Sweeps seems to increase from the mere two who are shown being created to... well, as many as they need.

Consequently, opinions differ on the Armada's actual "existence", with some arguing that since Cyclonus' personal army was dropped in production and removed from the film immediately after being introduced, its inclusion is little more than an error, and should be ignored.

Who is the Armada?Edit

Wreckersskywarpcyclonus

Oy.

The Armada's identity prior to re-creation somewhat fraught, tied up as it is with the question of who Cyclonus is. In the finished film, Bombshell is shown being transformed into (presumably) Cyclonus by Unicron, while Skywarp becomes the solitary Armada robot.

Armadadecepticon

Sticker from the 2007 'Masterpiece' Skywarp

Confusion of the matter aside, the vast preponderance of subsequent sources simply agree with the visuals of the recreation scene as depicted in the movie, showing Cyclonus to be created from Bombshell, meaning that the one-ship Armada—if it exists at all—was made from Skywarp.

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