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[[Image:Cyclonus armada tftf.jpg|thumb|250px|Who cares if the President doesn't exist? He's a great American!]]
   
'''Cyclonus's Armada''' refers to the one <small>(or more)</small> seemingly identical robots created by Unicron at the same time as [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] in [[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)| the 1986 movie]]. The Armada is something of a continuity headache, partly because of the question of [[Cyclonus (G1)#Who is Cyclonus?|who Cyclonus is]], and partly because the single robot shown being created immediately disappears from the film, to be replaced <small>(generally speaking)</small> with an additional [[Sweep]].
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'''Cyclonus's armada''' refers to the one <small>(or more)</small> seemingly identical robots created by Unicron at the same time as [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.
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The armada is, in general, a monumental headache for a number of reasons. The basic idea was for Cyclonus to have an group of followers identical to him in design, as a natural counterpart to [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]'s [[Sweep]]s. This is evidenced by the desciption for them given in the movie's script:
   
As Cyclonus's personal forces, the Armada is/are the logical counterpart to [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]'s [[Sweep]]s. The script for the movie refers to them thusly:
 
   
 
:<tt>CYCLONUS is CREATED and then his "armada" of similar, but smaller and similarly colored and clad creatures are formed.</tt>
 
:<tt>CYCLONUS is CREATED and then his "armada" of similar, but smaller and similarly colored and clad creatures are formed.</tt>
   
The actual ''number'' of robots in the 'Armada' are unknown. While Unicron had only six Decepticons to transform<ref>Six Decepticons; [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]], [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]], [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]], and [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] were ejected from [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]</ref> at least ''five'' Sweeps are seen at one point in this scene, and the inclusion of the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]], with the ability to clone themselves, makes the actually numbering ambiguous.<ref>Either more than the 6 Transformers seen were present (likely in the form of more Insecticon clones) or the Sweeps (and the Armada?) retained the Insecticons' cloning abilities. Or [[Beorht|a wizard]] did it.</ref>.
 
   
Opinions differ on the armada's actual "existence". Since Cyclonus's personal army was dropped in production, and the figure disappears from the film after the re-creation scene, some argue its inclusion is little more than an error, and should be ignored. The term 'Armada' or 'Cyclonus's armada' is used to refer to the continuity-headache it represents (almost like a label) without implying anything about a fan's [[personal canon|individual belief]] in its/their existence/nonexistence.
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However, while the original [[Transformers: The Movie|comic book adaptation]] of the movie followed through with this intention (in terms of art, if not dialogue), the actual movie itself did anything but. Only ''one'' armada robot is shown to be created onscreen, and promptly vanishes from the film mere seconds later, replaced in the group (generally speaking) by a third Sweep.
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Consequently, opinions differ on the armada's actual "existence", with some arguing that since Cyclonus's personal army was dropped in production and removed from the film immediately after being introduced, its inclusion is little more than an error, and should be ignored.
   
==The armada's fate==
 
===The Movie===
 
[[Image:Armada idw20th boom.jpg|thumb|left|For a guy who died so quickly, he sure created a lot of problems.]]
 
[[IDW]]'s 2006 [[Transformers: The Animated Movie]] comic, a faithful retelling of the 1986 movie, shows a jet identical to Cyclonus being destroyed by [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'s fire-breath. This is generally interpreted as the comic's "explanation" for the Armada's subsequent disappearance in the movie- it was destroyed in its first combat encounter.
 
   
''Grimlock does indeed use his firebreath like this in the movie itself, but the target of his wrath was unambiguously Cyclonus himself with [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] inside. However while Cyclonus survived that encounter with little damage- his lookalike in the comic goes kersplodey with equal unambiguity.''
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==Later appearances==
   
 
===Five Faces of Darkness===
 
===Five Faces of Darkness===
 
[[Image:Cycloni ffod5.jpg|thumb|Five Cyclonuseses in Five Faces of Darkness part 5. Appropriate.]]
 
[[Image:Cycloni ffod5.jpg|thumb|Five Cyclonuseses in Five Faces of Darkness part 5. Appropriate.]]
At least four jets of Cyclonus' design<ref>Four jets of Cyclonus's design are seen in a single shot on two separate occasions.</ref> take part in the final assault on Cybertron in "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5]]", although admittedly that miniseries was rife with blatant animation errors.
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At least four jets of Cyclonus' design take part in the final assault on Cybertron in "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5]]", appearing in a single shot on two occasions. It is a rare thing, however, to find this scene taken seriously, given just how rife with errors the whole mini-series is, although you ''might'' have room to argue that if Bombshell were the armada ''(see below for that mess)'', then he might still be able to clone himself to produced more armada robots.
   
It has also been ''suggested'' that [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]'s battle with [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] and [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] (where the latter two are apparently destroyed) is 'actually' supposed to be a battle with the armada. And indeed, after this battle only two jets of Cyclonus's type are seen together. However, Dirge and Ramjet had speaking roles, and were in-character at the time. And were later seen to be alive.<ref>Dirge played a prominent role in "[[Ghost in the Machine]]".</ref> ''And'' Dirge was implied to be dead.<ref>[[Octane (G1)|Octane]] bumps into what he seems to believe is Dirge's [[Transformer funerary practices#Decepticons|funerary marker]] in the [[Decepticon Crypt]] in "[[Starscream's Ghost]]". (He does not mention Dirge by name.)</ref> And Dirge died in the movie too.<ref>[[Unicron|*burp*]]</ref>''<nowiki>*sigh*</nowiki> It's something of a mess.''
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===Transformers: The Animated Movie===
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[[Image:Armada idw20th boom.jpg|thumb|left|For a guy who died so quickly, he sure created a lot of problems.]]
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[[IDW]]'s 2006 [[Transformers: The Animated Movie]] comic, a faithful retelling of the 1986 movie, inserts its own "explanation" for what happened to the armada, showing a jet identical to Cyclonus being destroyed by a blast of fire-breath from [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'s fire-breath. Although Grimlock did indeed use his fire-breath in this manner in the movie itself, his target was unambiguously Cyclonus himself with [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] inside. While Cyclonus survived that encounter with little damage, his lookalike in the comic goes kersplodey with equal unambiguity.
   
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==Who is the armada?==
   
Regardless, the general consensus is that Cyclonus's armada, whatever their numbers, no longer exist by the time "Five Faces of Darkness" ends and the 3rd season of the cartoon proper begins.
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[[Image:Wreckersskywarpcyclonus.jpg|thumb|left|Oy.]]
   
==Proper name?==
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The armada's identity prior to re-creation somewhat fraught; there may be more than one of him/them, but it's also tied up in the question of [[Cyclonus (G1)#Who_is_Cyclonus.3F|who is Cyclonus?]]. In the finished film, [[Bombshell]] is shown being transformed into Cyclonus by Unicron, while [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] becomes the solitary armada robot. But, some fans reason, if the armada promptly disappears and is replaced with a Sweep, then the animation of the recreation scene is erroneous. This, then, opens up the scene to interpretation, and has left a lot of fans asking who actually became the one true Cyclonus - Bombshell or Skywarp? And as a knock-on effect of that, the question of who the armada is also gets thrown into the blender - even though it is a fairly pointless question, since, if the armada does actually exist, then there's no conflict or error that makes reinterpretation necessary.
Reasoning that '''Armada''' might as well be a proper name since there's only one of him, many fans refer to Cyclonus's doppelgänger in the recreation scene by that name.
 
   
In the original movie script Unicron uses the same rote format to introduce both Scourge and Cyclonus, and the word 'armada' is used in the same place the descriptive 'huntsmen' is for the Sweeps;
 
 
{|
 
|+ '''1986 Movie'''
 
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|" ||Scourge, ||the tracker.... ||and his huntsmen... ||the Sweeps... ||"
 
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|" ||Cyclonus, ||the warrior... ||and his armada.... || ||"
 
|}
 
 
As envisioned in the original script, 'armada' is not a proper noun. However, the 2006 comic adaption <small>(which added the destruction of a single Cyclonus-type Jet during Galvatron's raid on [[Autobot City]])</small> parsed things differently;
 
 
{|
 
|+ '''2006 comic adaption'''
 
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|" ||'''SCOURGE''', ||THE TRACKER.... ||...AND HIS HUNTSMEN— ||'''THE SWEEPS'''! ||"
 
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|" ||'''CYCLONUS'''— ||THE WARRIOR... ||...AND HIS '''ARMADA'''! || ||"
 
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So while Armada was ''intended'' to be an improper noun, at least one source has treated it as a ''proper'' noun. Since ''that'' source (the 2006 comic) is the only one to explicitly address the 'problem' of the Armada... one could argue that it should have the final word. ...or not.
 
 
==Who is the armada?==
 
 
[[Image:Armadadecepticon.jpg|thumb|Sticker from the 2007 'Masterpiece' Skywarp]]
 
[[Image:Armadadecepticon.jpg|thumb|Sticker from the 2007 'Masterpiece' Skywarp]]
[[Image:Wreckersskywarpcyclonus.jpg|thumb|left|Oy.]]
 
The Armada's identity prior to re-creation somewhat fraught; there may be more than one of him/them, but it's also tied up in the question of [[Cyclonus (G1)#Who_is_Cyclonus.3F|who is Cyclonus?]].
 
 
Traditional [[fan-reasoning]] is that [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] were more prominent characters, and should have becomes [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]]. ''Unfortunately'' every visual representation ever, spanning 20+ years, has shown Cyclonus to be created from [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]].<ref>Of course, the 2003 Australian movie DVD claims Bombshell became a [[Sweep]], but we don't think those character profiles were approved by Hasbro, fans tend to ignore them.</ref><ref>Bombshell was also at Starscream's subsequent coronation. Or maybe it was [[Salvo]]. Or maybe Cyclonus was Salvo. Skywarp was at the coronation too. ''*sigh* It's something of a mess.''</ref>
 
 
The 2007 'Masterpiece' Skywarp toy includes an 'Armada Decepticon' sticker which seems to indicate Skywarp did indeed become the Armada. Of course, a 2003 DVD profile states unequivocally that Skywarp became Cyclonus.<ref>It also states Cyclonus and Scourge are 'Unicrons.' Just ignore it, we all do!</ref> In the [[Beast Era]], Cyclonus and Skywarp were running around at the same time, so either Skywarp became an/the Armada, or there's some really nasty [[budding]] involved.
 
 
This may all be moot; everyone but Megatron involved in Unicrons' re-creation appears to have been ''dead'', so neither Cyclonus nor his Armada should remember their previous existence any more than [[Hook, Line, and Sinker]] do. Several sources<ref>That same unreliable DVD release, Cyclonus [[Heroes of Cybertron]] PVC, much more reliably.</ref> actually state that Cyclonus was forged from the remains of ''several'' Decepticons.
 
 
Headaches and confusion aside, the vast preponderance of sources agree that Skywarp became the Armada (or at least one of them.)
 
 
==Fan wub==
 
[[Image:Cyclonus oddity armadaesque.jpg|thumb|100px|Nobody tell [[e-Hobby]]. I will ''murder'' you.]]
 
Um... kay... see, there's this one ''guy'', who's like- totally just like Cyclonus, only he has different colors...
 
 
And I know we don't, you know, ''count'' that kind of thing, because it's always just an animation error and stuff? Like it was supposed to be Dirge, or a Cyclonus-lookalike and some colorist screwed up, and he's only in 1 frame of animation an' everything...?
 
 
...except, you know, he like, shows up again later, in the same color scheme, this time in jet mode, fully animated doing a bombing run. <small>(This is after Dirge dies too, so it's not him.)</small>
 
   
Soo... I know the ''usual'' standard for distinguishing a [[generic]] from a boo-boo is that it either has to make no sense for it to be a mistake, or it has to be repeated. And this one's ''totally'' repeated...
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Confusion of the matter aside, the vast preponderance of subsequent sources simply agree with the visuals of the recreation scene as depicted in the movie, showing Cyclonus to be created from Bombshell, and the armada to have been made from Skywarp. IDW's movie adaptation does so, as noted above, and [[BotCon]]'s ''[[Universe (comic)|Universe]]'' comics feature Cyclonus and Skywarp existing side-by-side, inferring that the armada was eventually changed back to his original form while Bombshell remained Cyclonus. Additionally, the 2007 Masterpiece Skywarp toy includes an 'Armada Decepticon' sticker which seems to indicate Skywarp did indeed become the armada.
   
<small>pleasedonthateme</small>
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There are ''some'' pieces of nominally official material that go the other route - most prominently, the profiles written by Australian fans for the 2003 [[Madman Entertainment]] DVD release of the movie, later used on several UK [[Metrodome]] DVDs, which state with complete unambiguity that Skywarp became Cyclonus. Generally speaking, no one really takes this seriously, since it's obvious it was written by a fan who was pushing their interpretation of the matter, and not proof-read by anyone who would dispute it.
   
'''Note:''' ''We will also murder you for telling e-Hobby about the [[Cybertronian Empire]] guy who looks just like Cyclonus.'' <tt>Cyclonus + e-Hobby = your murder</tt> ''can probably be thought of as a general rule.
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This may all be moot; everyone but Megatron involved in Unicrons' re-creation appears to have been ''dead'', so neither Cyclonus nor his Armada should remember their previous existence any more than [[Hook, Line, and Sinker]] do. Notably, both Cyclonus's Marvel Comics [[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)|Transformers Universe]] profile and his [[Heroes of Cybertron]] bio actually state that he was forged from the remains of ''several'' Decepticons.
   
==Footnotes==
 
<references/>
 
 
==External links==
 
==External links==
 
* [http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/tidbits/tftm_script.txt Original script for TF:TM]
 
* [http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/tidbits/tftm_script.txt Original script for TF:TM]

Revision as of 16:20, December 4, 2007

This article is about the nameless Transformer in TF:TM. For the franchise Armada, see Armada.

Cyclonus armada tftf

Who cares if the President doesn't exist? He's a great American!

Cyclonus's armada refers to the one (or more) seemingly identical robots created by Unicron at the same time as Cyclonus in The Transformers: The Movie.

The armada is, in general, a monumental headache for a number of reasons. The basic idea was for Cyclonus to have an group of followers identical to him in design, as a natural counterpart to Scourge's Sweeps. This is evidenced by the desciption for them given in the movie's script:


CYCLONUS is CREATED and then his "armada" of similar, but smaller and similarly colored and clad creatures are formed.


However, while the original comic book adaptation of the movie followed through with this intention (in terms of art, if not dialogue), the actual movie itself did anything but. Only one armada robot is shown to be created onscreen, and promptly vanishes from the film mere seconds later, replaced in the group (generally speaking) by a third Sweep.

Consequently, opinions differ on the armada's actual "existence", with some arguing that since Cyclonus's personal army was dropped in production and removed from the film immediately after being introduced, its inclusion is little more than an error, and should be ignored.


Later appearances

Five Faces of Darkness

Cycloni ffod5

Five Cyclonuseses in Five Faces of Darkness part 5. Appropriate.

At least four jets of Cyclonus' design take part in the final assault on Cybertron in "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5", appearing in a single shot on two occasions. It is a rare thing, however, to find this scene taken seriously, given just how rife with errors the whole mini-series is, although you might have room to argue that if Bombshell were the armada (see below for that mess), then he might still be able to clone himself to produced more armada robots.

Transformers: The Animated Movie

Armada idw20th boom

For a guy who died so quickly, he sure created a lot of problems.

IDW's 2006 Transformers: The Animated Movie comic, a faithful retelling of the 1986 movie, inserts its own "explanation" for what happened to the armada, showing a jet identical to Cyclonus being destroyed by a blast of fire-breath from Grimlock's fire-breath. Although Grimlock did indeed use his fire-breath in this manner in the movie itself, his target was unambiguously Cyclonus himself with Galvatron inside. While Cyclonus survived that encounter with little damage, his lookalike in the comic goes kersplodey with equal unambiguity.

Who is the armada?

Wreckersskywarpcyclonus

Oy.

The armada's identity prior to re-creation somewhat fraught; there may be more than one of him/them, but it's also tied up in the question of who is Cyclonus?. In the finished film, Bombshell is shown being transformed into Cyclonus by Unicron, while Skywarp becomes the solitary armada robot. But, some fans reason, if the armada promptly disappears and is replaced with a Sweep, then the animation of the recreation scene is erroneous. This, then, opens up the scene to interpretation, and has left a lot of fans asking who actually became the one true Cyclonus - Bombshell or Skywarp? And as a knock-on effect of that, the question of who the armada is also gets thrown into the blender - even though it is a fairly pointless question, since, if the armada does actually exist, then there's no conflict or error that makes reinterpretation necessary.

Armadadecepticon

Sticker from the 2007 'Masterpiece' Skywarp

Confusion of the matter aside, the vast preponderance of subsequent sources simply agree with the visuals of the recreation scene as depicted in the movie, showing Cyclonus to be created from Bombshell, and the armada to have been made from Skywarp. IDW's movie adaptation does so, as noted above, and BotCon's Universe comics feature Cyclonus and Skywarp existing side-by-side, inferring that the armada was eventually changed back to his original form while Bombshell remained Cyclonus. Additionally, the 2007 Masterpiece Skywarp toy includes an 'Armada Decepticon' sticker which seems to indicate Skywarp did indeed become the armada.

There are some pieces of nominally official material that go the other route - most prominently, the profiles written by Australian fans for the 2003 Madman Entertainment DVD release of the movie, later used on several UK Metrodome DVDs, which state with complete unambiguity that Skywarp became Cyclonus. Generally speaking, no one really takes this seriously, since it's obvious it was written by a fan who was pushing their interpretation of the matter, and not proof-read by anyone who would dispute it.

This may all be moot; everyone but Megatron involved in Unicrons' re-creation appears to have been dead, so neither Cyclonus nor his Armada should remember their previous existence any more than Hook, Line, and Sinker do. Notably, both Cyclonus's Marvel Comics Transformers Universe profile and his Heroes of Cybertron bio actually state that he was forged from the remains of several Decepticons.

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