Talk:Main Page/Archive1

Older discussion
This front page needs to be redesigned to be more useful.

One problem is that it claims to have a list of categories, but it's actually a list of pages that list other pages. "Categories" have a special meaning in MediaWiki related to adding category tags at the bottom of an article. The main page's link to a "complete category list" is the real category list, as understood by the wiki's database. The lists... need to be called something else.

I do think it's useful to have links on the front page linking to lists of toylines, TV shows, comic series/publishers, etc.. It just needs to be presented differently. I don't at the moment have a good idea for how to do it, though.

--Steve-o 07:55, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Reverted, because our Wiki is not >Beeping< stupid.

I propose a site name change to 'The Witwicky Transformers Wikipedia'.

"Just check the Witwicky!" And we could laugh at our pun, EVERY TIME. -Derik 11:43, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I hate the image above the Search field. I especially hate that clicking on it does nto direct me to, say, the advanced search page, but instead the front page. But mostly I think it fits horribly witht he page, and my eye 'trips' over it and has to re-orient itself every time i go over to click int he search field. "Uh, okay, right, gotta be sure not to click on that."

I just find it... unfriendly. Other opinions? -Derik 12:55, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Basically like the main page revision. But, aren't "Universe" and "Timelines" intended to be the same continuity?--G.B. Blackrock 23:53, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I have no idea. If they are, feel free to remove one of them, but I've never followed either of the comics, so I wouldn't know. --Suki Brits 00:16, 15 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Sort of? Timelines is basically a spin of of Universe in... another Universe. It'll probably be easier to keep it its own continuity for clarity's sake. - Vanguard


 * If Timelines is the continuity of the club comic (not actually a given), don't the events of that series, which now have been linked to the events of the Universe comic, put them together? The fact that Prime and Magnus have been explicitly pulled from one group to another shouldn't make too much difference here, since both are explicitly continuity-hopping continuities.  (uhh, yeah.)--G.B. Blackrock 18:26, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I've always disagreed with Steve's take on the Continuities page that the fan club comic is a Timelines story. As has been said, Timelines is just a sequence of unrelated story branch-offs, and the fan club comic takes place in the Cybertron cartoon universe.  (It's LABELLED a Cybertron story, not Timelines, so that much should be obvious.)  Timelines is definitely its own thing.  --ItsWalky 02:18, 23 April 2006 (UTC)


 * In any event, if we're talking "for clarity's sake," I find it clearer to have fewer titles to follow, rather than more. Perhaps you see it differently.--G.B. Blackrock 18:27, 22 April 2006 (UTC)


 * There also IS a legal issue involved as well, but I'm not sure on the details involved. I suppose it doesn't matter too much, and maybe we should treat Timelines as a sequel to Universe? - Vanguard

Timelines and Universe are unrelated. Universe refers to a very specific cross-multiverse battle between agents of Primus and Unicron in direct confrontation. Timelines is just off-continuity one-shot stories with vague connections (if any) to whatever jumping-off point they feel like. 2006's "Timelines" entry may very well have no relation to 2005's whatsoever, or 2007... as such, they should remain separate. --M Sipher 21:08, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

A possible cause for confusion may be that the fan club comic appears to share continuity with the Universe story. However, the fan club comic is, strangely, not "Transformers Timelines" but is simply called "Transformers Cybertron". So far the only Timelines story is what we got at BotCon 2005. --Steve-o 21:28, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I expect that we'll see that "Timelines" is the line they release the next "freebie" under when it finally arrives. Time will tell on that.  For the moment, you're quite right.  I'm still not sure I agree with M Sipher above, but it seems clear that I'm outvoted.  So be it.--G.B. Blackrock 00:26, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

The info that Timelines is intended to be a series of unconnected, standalone tales comes from conversations with Ben Yee and Karl Hartman. They, like Legends, are all basically "what if" stories. --M Sipher 02:03, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

If Timelines is just going to be a bunch of random stories without regard to continuity, then it sounds like it probably wouldn't be too appropriate to have it listed under Continuities on the main page. Since, uh, there isn't any continuity. --Suki Brits 03:12, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Anyone else think it'd be cool to have a different page for each figure? Doogles 19:07, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It's called tfu.info. :) --ItsWalky 19:08, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Sho'nuff is. Shows what I know :( Doogles 00:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

"I hate the image above the Search field. I especially hate that clicking on it does nto direct me to, say, the advanced search page, but instead the front page. But mostly I think it fits horribly witht he page, and my eye 'trips' over it and has to re-orient itself every time i go over to click int he search field. "Uh, okay, right, gotta be sure not to click on that."

'I just find it... unfriendly. Other opinions? -Derik 12:55, 29 March 2006 (UTC)' "i completely agree86.112.249.240 18:39, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Plain dumb
I like this site but the comments bellow the pictures (such as megatron) are foolish comments that do not meke any sence i am just about ready to go on a masive cleaning spree whiping out your comments and placing text there that is USEFULL duh!!!!!!!!!! god if a new commer saw you comment on one of megatron's they wouldent know what you where talking about CHANGE IT pleese

Sory for the spelling


 * This wiki isn't meant to be 100% serious and neutral like the Wikipedia and almost every other wiki there is. We allow for humour in the biographies, captions and sometimes the body of the article itself. We also sometimes write from the perspective of the character, for humour.
 * Because if there's one thing Transformers fans do, its that they take their Transformers too seriously. So please don't go around editing the articles unless you are contributing, thanks. --FFN 09:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * If by "usefull" (sic) you mean "boring and horrendously, pointlessly redundant text of zero value to anyone", sure. And if a "new commer" (sic) is somehow confused by a caption under a picture of a Megatron to the point of not being able to look at the rest of all the information on the screen and the title of the page to determine which one this was, then frankly, how the hell did they even turn on the computer without inadvertently killing themselves? (And besides... Lucas' website-gurus luvvy-luv our wiki and its humor.) --M Sipher 19:48, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

you are all fools!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a wiki is a place for finding info not for finding stupid hummor
 * Quick, find this guy a spelling wiki!
 * Well, for one, you can find tons of information here. I don't see where having humor removes the information. Show me an actual example of failure to find information because of the existence of a piece of humor in place of "THIS IS A PICTURE OF GENERATION 1 MEGATRON", which, when seen on a Generation 1 Megatron page with accompanying text talking about Generation 1 Megatron, evokes the response "well no shit" from anyone with two neurons to run a spark between.
 * And for two, I wasn't aware that there was some Officially Mandated Standard on what can and can't be done on a wiki. Where, exactly, is it said that all wiki everywhere cannot have jokes?
 * And for three, maybe before you start accusing people of being "fools", you might want to look into proper spelling, capitalization, punctuation and sentence structure. --M Sipher 01:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * A wiki is a place for literacy, friend. Chip 01:06, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * If one honestly thinks a hobby about toys should be taken seriously, one might consider rethinking their priorities. Plus, the humor at least keeps me (and likely most others) entertained while sifting through loads of info when checking for pages that need additions.--MCRG 01:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * A wiki is a place for articles that are more than two lines long, have punctuation and capitalization, and were written by someone who can spell "penalty." In other words, not yours.  --Andrusi 03:21, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Please fix the errors if you find any and improve this wiki rather than attacking the people working hard on creating new content here. Angela talk 19:26, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * My point was that he isn't working hard on creating new content here, he's just putting up lazy sub-stubs, editing out caption jokes and such, and then calling everyone "fools" for our "stupid hummor." --Andrusi 00:19, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * My reply was meant for the person suggestion the wiki had "foolish comments" since he could fix this instead of complaining here about it. It wasn't meant as a reply to you since I agree with what you wrote. Sorry for the confusion. Angela talk 18:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I vote that if this anonymous poster, who I shall call "Leader-1", elects to follow through on his badly-spelled threat, that we leave at least one of his captions or contributions for posterity, if it follows the same pattern as the rant above...--Autobus Prime 18:57, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree, the comments in the captions are over-the-top and get old really quick. Not saying the wiki needs to be all serious, but every caption is a smart-ass quip and they get repetitive.
 * I disagree. What gets repetitive are things like "Grimlock shaking hands with Prime", "Dinobot Beast mode" etc. But the captions here, and the intro paragraphs are excellent. Have some fun, cause at least here you can have a laugh User:GWolf


 * Hi. I love the humor on this wiki.  It was a wonderful surprise.  It's a bit sad that this user feels the need to take Transformers so seriously.24.21.139.41 06:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Look, please can we have the captions useful. I didn't have a clue what it was going on about even though i read the whole rest of the article. I'm in half a mind to get rid of the captions entirely so before i do that please change them to something we all can use. Transformers is my favourite tv program and i would like it if the captions are changed. I apreciate the humour but maybe you can find some other way of including it. 217.44.124.90 11:00, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * There's no info that you could fit under the photos that would BE useful and not be repedative. The jokes are one of the best things about this wiki. IE - We recognize that this is not a mater for extreme dry, boring, encyclopedic seriousness. Transformers are toys and toy based media, it's all meant to be **FUN** above and beyond ALL else. As long as all the actual info in the articles is acurate, the picture blurbs are such a small thing as to be totally irrelivent and add a great touch of fun. If you try to get rid of them all yourself all you're gonna do is make everyone change them back and get yourself banned. --ZacWilliam 11:38, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * "I didn't have a clue what it was going on about even though i read the whole rest of the article."-->Frankly, that says certain things about you.
 * "Transformers is my favourite tv program and i would like it if the captions are changed."-->Then...what is your confusion about, exactly? You are familiar with the characters, yes?  And yet, you had "no clue what was going on?"  Again, certain things are being said about you here.
 * "I apreciate the humour but maybe you can find some other way of including it."-->Um, other than including it?71.34.68.213 16:02, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

fine the funny stays fine by me!(ps im the person who said "Look, please can we have the captions useful. I didn't have a clue what it was going on about even though i read the whole rest of the article. I'm in half a mind to get rid of the captions entirely so before i do that please change them to something we all can use. Transformers is my favourite tv program and i would like it if the captions are changed. I apreciate the humour but maybe you can find some other way of including it. 217.44.124.90 11:00, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

"i was just yousing another computer then, but i do apologise, i like the funny now!)86.112.249.240 18:27, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Magyar TF Wiki
Is there some reason we shouldn't have a link to this? It's pretty unobtrusive, and (not that I read Magyar) the target appears to be a legitimate resource. Albeit one maintained entirely by HardStuff. -LV 18:08, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I think it should stay. As I said on User talk:Steve-o earlier today, this sort of link is an Interlanguage link, one which points to the same article on another language version of the same wiki. In this case, the link was pointing to the new Hungarian Transformers Wikia. The link appears in the left sidebar in the "other languages" section and is the easiest way for people to find this content in their own language. If you look at Wikipedia, you'll see this is used on many articles to link to the same topic in a different language. Angela talk 19:28, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

General informalness
I don't get it. What's with all the lame picture captions and lazy informal writing?


 * Picture caption jokes are one of the fun traditions of this wiki and are not to be replaced by anything except even funnier picture captions. The informal writing style is just how we do things here. As long as the information is acurate there's no reason to be boring about it. Toys are meant to be fun. :)

Most of the time, though, the writing style is fairly formal if the article is properly written. If it's just a quick summary thrown in to fill space in lieu of a more detailed write-up that'll be done some time in the future, yeah... shockingly enough, we like to have a bit of fun when we're writing about the giant robot aliens with lasers. - Chris McFeely 15:50, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

90% of the time picture captions aren't needed. "A picture of Slugslinger." Well DUH, it's the main picture on Slugslinger's article. Jokes became acceptable to fill that space- they're often puns on character names, or in-jokes about their appearances, but often not. When a descriptive caption is actually needed, it should not be removed.

As for informal... articles tend to get more refined and serious as they get older and more complete (Well, except Wheelie's.) The informal gets smoothed out of 'em. So I guess our answer is- "You're judging tadpoles like they're frogs." -Derik 21:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, see the above discussion. --M Sipher 23:40, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I wonder if it might be worth our while to put a big note of some sort right dead on the Main Page about how humor is fine as long as the info is accurate. Something like "...anyone can edit. The only rules: humor and fun are encouraged as long as accuracy and clarity rule."
 * You know, I've been on record as not caring for the level of humor here, but even I have to agree with this. Especially in captions, some humor is perfectly fine. (Of course, my presence here is pretty limited, anyway, so why should you guys listen to me?)--G.B. Blackrock 22:11, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Movie is not G1
Moved to Talk:Transformers (2007)

A suggestion
I was thinking it might be an ok idea to add weapons/ability sections to the character profiles, with stuff about what kind of arms a transformer has, or special abilities or such User:GWolf
 * That tends to go in their initial bio section... if they've only had one incarnation.
 * Weapons/abilities is fine for, say, Springer, but what abotu Grimlock? He's had 18 bodoes, all with different abilities. -Derik 21:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Or guys like Optimus Primal, who have had multiple VERY different bodies. From three-wheeled groundcar to ape to skyboarding metal ape to groundcar/jet/ape to technorganic ape to technorganic Cyber-Key skyboarding ape... and throw in a bat-form.... --M Sipher 01:27, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikia Blogs
This wiki is included in our new Wikia Blogs feature. To get involved, just add snippets of this wiki's best articles to MediaWiki:Blog snippet each day and that content will appear on both the Wikia Gaming Blog and the Wikia Science Fiction Blog. Please see Wiki to blog for an introduction and Wikia Blogs for a list of wikis involved in this. Angela talk 15:50, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

External Properties
Should this be made a subcategory of Characters? Far as I know everything in it's a character except the G.I. Joe Snow Cat. --Rotty 04:03, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thus proving it does not belong in characters. -Derik 04:16, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The AT-RT won't be a character, nor will any of the Joe/Cobra vehicles. The SWTF pages are iffy, since they're both character AND Vehicle pages for the most part. The Avengers crossover will likely give us a few non-character additions as well. --69.134.228.186 04:17, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * There's also the Savage Land and the Daily Bugle. --FortMax 04:23, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

The only other option is for it to be added to Top-level categories, yes? (Incidentally, the AT-RT doesn't have a page, just the Clone Pilot.) --Rotty 04:26, 12 May 2007 (UTC)