Talk:Brawl (Tyran)/707.04 Delta

Not Megatron comment
what inspired that? USER:GWolf
 * Many people on various boards who can't get over the fact that movie Megs is neither a gun nor a tank. --FFN 16:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * More specifically, the ones who are so incapable of getting over it that they form elaborate conspiracy theories about how Megatron will get a tank altmode during the movie and Hasbro decided to call the corresponding toy "Brawl" to keep it a surprise. --Andrusi 03:29, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Brawl could have easily been named Overkill, if you ask me. His toy has an amount of weapons that border on goofy: His spring loaded cannon on his right arm, the fact that it can swivel 180 to reveal a more accurate to his design Gatling Gun molding, his behind the back secondary guns, his shoulder mounted missile launchers, his twin claw, AND the anti-personal cannon molded onto the twin claw's base. Sheeeeeesh. --Terrocon Blot 19:30, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Devastator
apparently, when they screened the movie in australia, little thing became apparent. His name's Devestator?

Opened, or screened? Because if it was a pre-screening, it may have been a rough cut of the movie-- several decepticons' names were changes later in production, and Devastator was an early name for Brawl.

You can count on this being corrected for the actual film release. Roberto Orci has commented on it. --KilMichaelMcC 04:20, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

They called it both a special screening event and a premiere. We rock. --FFN 08:15, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey I just saw the movie on June 29th in a sneak preview in columbus ohio and they called him Devastator. And it seemed like scenes were missing from the movie


 * I'm a little confused as to why "Devastator" isn't noted as a mistaken when the only place it appears is a single subtitle line in the actual movie whilst "Brawl" appears on... everything else ever.  I mean, a Michael Bay forced mistake is still a mistake.--MCRG 03:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * "Forced mistake"? If he intended to call the tank Devastator and he called it Devastator, I'm not seeing the mistake. It's clearly different from every other appearance, but unless we're going to make a big deal about how purple cartoon Rumble is a mistake, there's no reason to make it sound like someone didn't know what his name was. "Brawl" is clearly the most parsimonious name for the page, but that doesn't change the fact that his name is Devastator in the movie. -67.149.204.113 04:44, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Heh, until the DVD release. I don't see Hasbro sitting by on that one when they've got Brawl stamped on all the merchandise.--MCRG 04:46, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Brawl is the better name, they should save devastator for the sequel.

The cinema in Minnesota I just saw the movie at had the 'Devastator' cut. -Derik 01:31, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Wait, what do you mean? Do you mean "cut" as in "the name Devastator was removed" or "cut" as in "the cut of the film that has Devastator," which would be the same as what everyone else has already seen? --KilMichaelMcC 01:40, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The version where he's called Devastator. ...is there no version where he's called Brawl like the said or something?  Now you've confused me. -Derik 01:43, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope. It's Devastator in every version.


 * Of course, it's still wrong. But there is no cut that says Brawl. --Suki Brits 01:49, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It says "Brawl" in the credits, though. And as MCRG said, with "Brawl" on all the packaging I'm sure it'll be changed in time for the DVD release.  - Dark T Zeratul 02:40, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

So, uh, twice now people have removed the "Brawl (here called "Devastator")" bit from the movie summary with no explanation at all. I think that phrasing is important for the sake of clarification. Otherwise there's no real clear reason for him to be referred to as Devastator in the article as it's never actually stated before there that the name Devastator appears in the movie. Can somebody please justify this? --Steve-o 21:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It was apparently LV that removed it. After it was put back today, he asked if he was alone in thinking it should be removed.  I said it was a little weird to suddenly call the character Devastator with no explanation, and he seemed to give up immediately.  I don't recall him actually justifying it, but I think it'd be easiest for you to ask. /:) --Sntint 03:41, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Regarding current edit: I don't think we should specifically denounce one name over the other, especially in the movie fiction section. Would the "Brawl (here called "Devastator")" thing work for the first mention, then just use pronouns for the rest of this specific section? Atomic spaceman 21:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's really denouncing- he was originally named Devastator, but his name was later changed to Brawl, it just didn't get fixed int he movie.
 * Somehow I feel like that sounds less than, say, Jetfire begin called Skyfire int he Sunbow Cartoon. (I may change my tune if it's not fixed on the DVD) -Derik 22:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

For the film's fiction subsection I have changed his name to Devastator. It's the only name he is given in that story, and the director of the film has apparently said he prefers that name. To me, that makes it his name. He simply has a different name in the film than in all his other appearances. Further: there is still a mention in the trivia that he is credited as Brawl. However, the last time I saw the movie with LV and Walky, they both scanned the voice credits (I was looking elsewhere) and didn't see him credited at all, under either name. Can any editors personally attest to have seen the credit with their own eyes, or are we just repeating Some Guy's claim that it's there? --Steve-o 22:35, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Old edit of mine from early June for the Sydney June 12th premiere, where the voice actors were finally revealed. IIRC it was posted by one of the people attending and I forgot to edit it out, and I didn't bother hanging around to watch the voice credits myself. Btw, do the Decepticons EVER refer to Sam as anything other than Ladiesman217? That's why I refer to him as such in all the Decepticon writeups I've done. --FFN 23:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

DVD
Well, the DVD has been released in some places already, clips are flooding YouTube. So, I just wanna take the time to ask this question. Does he still call himself Devastator in the DVD release? -- SFH 05:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * According to a thread on the official TF movie forum, yes. --FFN 08:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Image
Does anyone have an actual image of Brawl in robot mode? -- SFH 16:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No, he never appeared in any promotional materials to my knowledge, and is BARELY seen in only some of the tv spots. The first time we saw his movie design (and not just his toy) was that leaked concept design sheet at TFW2005. --FFN 16:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * He shows up in various heavily illustrated material, but in group shots. Let me think...He's in the movie comic adaptation, and various storybooks.  Meet The Decepticons (group shot), Movie Storybook (likely same), and so forth.  If you want a render, it seems unlikely.
 * Doublechecked various books. Seems like the best image of Brawl we'll get is his first appearance in bot mode from the Movie adapation comic.  Beyond that, he's either lost in crowds, or not drawn well.  Or cropped badly.  --Terrocon Blot 21:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The game guide has a pretty large promo render of Brawl. There are a couple screen shots clipping him, but I'll see what I can do. --M Sipher 21:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * So now that Brawl's gotten a released to the public concept art, we gonna ditch the CG one from the game, or keep using him? --Terrocon Blot 01:14, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There is? --FFN 03:54, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, there are better picture of this guy. They can be found on Ben Procter's website. (The one with all the movie designs.) Crosshairs-1 11:55, 2 February 2008 (UTC)Crosshairs-1

Devastator and Michael Bay
"When queried, director Michael Bay said he had always preferred Devastator and that it is not a mistake."

I'd like to see a source for this. 'Cuz for everyone who brings this up, there's someone who will claim that Bay confirmed it as an error that will get fixed for the DVD. So unless someone can cite a source, I'm inclined to call this (as well as the "fixed for the DVD" version) a "fan rumor".

Oh, and "I seem to recall" or "I think I read somewhere" is not a source.--Nevermore 22:47, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Then fix it yourself. --FFN 03:17, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I can find it I think. Also, anyone remember his "If I wanna paint my house green" thing over flmaes and Prime s

Quote
If someone can SOURCE that "stupid simple" quote, I'd rather use that. --M Sipher 03:03, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Better image?
His main image is a stupid "Cyber Slammer" because....? LordHigher,MoreAnnoyingStarscream 16:38, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Because it's so out of character for a monster like Brawl to look this cute. --Detour 16:45, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Besides, they never released a single publicity image of him. --FFN 08:38, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I swapped the Cyber Slammer image with the concept art pic at the bottom of the article. -- Dark T Zeratul 09:44, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess you suck, then. -LV 13:54, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * What the hell? It's concept art. Cyber Slammer art is the only official art of him on this page. I'm changing it back. --FFN 15:03, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * More importantly, the Cyber Slammer picture is hilarious. --Steve-o 01:39, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I think it's much better now!Maybe.--Telex 02:01, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It wasn't. —Interrobang 02:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Now?--Telex 02:15, 3 March 2008 (UTC)