Talk:Ramjet (TFA)

Rimmer theme captions
Does anyone have any idea what a good quote for this page would be, to keep the Rimmer theme?KrytenKoro 09:54, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not Rimmerific, but I was thinking it would be good to use some play on the "no clone army...definitely no clone army...absolutely no clone army in this show" line from BotCon. After all, what better sums up a clone of Starscream that always lies? (and yes, I know it was sarcasm in the first place, thenkyew - that doesn't make it thematically inappropriate) Buttbutt 04:19, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That would be awesome. Could you upload a picture for that?KrytenKoro 01:42, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

All the Starscream clones' main pictures (plus a relevant picture on the Starscream (Animated) page) are Rimmer-captioned. Therefore, this one should be too. - SanityOrMadness talk page 16:37, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Colour Scheme Thoughts
Could it be possible that this Screamer is a nod to the Shattered Glass Starscream? Granted, the colours are slightly different; but when watching the episode that was the first thing that popped to this user's mind. Lunarius 07:42, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Lack of real visual similarity say no. —Interrobang 07:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hrm, alright. Thanks :D Lunarius 07:54, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

This page
This article is hilarious. It's better than the Wheelie article. It should win some kind of award.--some guy 19:50, 3 July 2008 (MST)
 * Indeed. It's brilliant. Bravo, editors, bravo.--Inevitable Betrayal 02:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

This is bullshit! Like that horrible dub of Headmasters! I hate lying articles!! YEEESSSSS!!!!!!!--RayxCreamMaker 8:52 PM, July 11, 2008 (EST)
 * I'm not glad to see everyone doesn't like what partially I didn't do! This article shouldn't become featured EVER! XD Not Steve 15:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

No Clone Army/Judas-Jonathan
Amusing as it has been to see these captions ping-pong for the last week or so, I grow weary of it. I take it there's some merit to either caption, so I'm polling for consensus; the loser gets to be the caption of the inevitable toy recolor or subsequent fiction re-appearance.

I vote for "No Clone Army." -Derik 01:58, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good compromise. I also vote "no clone army" as well.
 * I have no idea what that Judas-Jonathan one is about. All I know is it sucks, and the "No clone army" thing is incredibly funny and totally works with the overall tone of Liar Starscream's page. So yeah. To hell with the Judas thing. --Detour 02:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it's a Red Dwarf reference, but that's just been the impression I picked up, it could be wrong. -Derik 02:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Never heard of it, and whatever it is, it's not as clever or appropriate as "no clone army." --Thylacine 2000 02:07, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Google, people, sheesh! It's a Red Dwarf quote, apparently part of a long rant describing how slimey a particular character is.  While I appreciate the obliquity of the quote's appropriateness, I think the "no clone army" one wins for sheer comprehensibility.  That said, I think it'd be much more fitting on the main image for Starscream clone. -- Repowers 02:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Repowers speaks the truth. The 'Judas-Jonathan' quote comes from a speech by Lister on Rimmer's character. I think the RImmer captions suit the Starscream clones, because RImmer himself exhibited those same characteristics - cowardice, megalomania, lying and bootlicking. And the quote for the Female Starscream comes from a Red Dwarf ep which featured a female Rimmer. I think the Rimmer captions should stay. The 'no clone army' works much better for the Starscream clone article.
 * Besides, just because you don't get a caption doesn't mean you have to remove it. I don't get the 'goth talk' bit from Blackarachnia's article, but am I complaining? Bring back the Rimmer captions! It's the highlight of my week to see them there. Bobpiecheese 02:23, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the speaking-truth-by-blatantly-lying "No clone army" (which is apparently a quote from the Botcon 2008 panels) certainly fits the liar better- and while I can see why it'd make sense on the Starscream Clone article- I think it's just about perfect here. I prefer that quote (I might prefer the RD one if I'd seen RD... but I haven't...) and I think its connection to TF gives it an edge. -Derik 02:47, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Let it be known that I support discarding "Rimmer", whatever the hell it is, and keeping the "clone-army" quote. Galvanisation 10:05, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Shhh... nerds are supposed to be ashamed of not having seen Red Dwarf or Blakes 7. It's like not having seen Babylon 5!  Do not advertise your nerdy deficiencies! -Derik 10:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You forgot failing to read/listen to that utterly remarkable book, the Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy :) - SanityOrMadness talk page 21:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for that explanation; I was originally against the Rimmer ref, but that was before I knew that it was a running gag throughout the clone articles. I think it's kind of amazing that the single rant (plus a female-Rimmer line) can apply so aptly, and it fits with our spirit of multi-article jokes, so I vote for that.... as long as all the main-pic captions are Rimmer.  Lose one, and the whole gag falls apart, as far as I'm concerned. - Jackpot 15:03, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * As might be expected since I'm one of the ones who reverted, I'm wih Bobpiecheese. Keep the Rimmer theme going - the "Clone Army" one should go on the main Clones page with the picture of the hundreds of clones. - Reboot 16:35, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * While I generally approve of having Rimmer captions, for this particular character I think "No clone army" is the ideal quote. It does screw up the theme, but them's the breaks. -- Greenygal 13:49, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Fairly obviously, keep the Rimmer theme going. - SanityOrMadness talk page 21:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I LIKE Red Dwarf, but I vote against it in the Liar's case. The "no clone army" is way, way, way, way, WAY more fitting. --M Sipher 21:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * How about a compromise: we keep the 'no clone army' for the main image, but the next image that's added to the article should have a Rimmer-related caption. How about that?
 * I believe that's exactly what we're weighing our votes for. Liar is sure to either reappear or get a toy eventually. -Derik 12:07, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, is the second caption in the article also a Rimmer quote? --Professor Icepick 15:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it's a Monty Python quote (actually, the wording there is slightly different - but the Pythons have rerecorded most of their popular sketches at least once, so the wording in the quote's probably been used at some point). - SanityOrMadness talk page 17:18, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks for the clarification. I thought it seemed like it came out of some British comedy. --Professor Icepick 17:21, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

"Fiction Area"
Maybe you should change the "fiction" header to read "fact" instead. After all, we all know what the opposite of fiction is! 67.160.126.166 04:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * And I'm certainly not suggesting we change the Trivia section to Vital Information as well. Felancer Prime 11:59, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I feel like there's a point at which the joke annihilates the usefulness of the article. This one's gimmick happens to straightforward, so it's not very hard to parse... but it's balancing right on the edge of being in need of the seldom used de-snarking template. I don't think you can burden it with any more snark without rendering it incoherent. -Derik 13:42, 21 July 2008 (UTC)