Talk:Transformers Animated (cartoon)

Cybertron Modes
Anyone else think that we should add images of all the Cybertron forms in the profile pages


 * Sounds like a fantastic idea. please sign your comments--Skyglide 05:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Wasp, Warp and Swind
Ok, anyone got a link confirming these three. Cause I know Waspy was just a rumour to start off with, and Skywarp and Swindle are completely new to meUser:GWolfv2
 * http://www.seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=12617&, but it's STILL a rumour. We should wait for an official statement. --Hepathos 16:32, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Or at least until we know which factions the new characters are. Skywarp we can take for granted, but the other two?  --Thylacine 2000 18:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Mixmaster
Is this confirmed?
 * I believe this info came from the same person who posted a lot of the design sheets on different message boards. I'd assume he's in the know if he got his hands on those, but at the same time, I'm not sure I'd call it official. Koh4711 02:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Waspinator?
When has there been any mention of him appearing?
 * David Kaye talked about Waspinator appearing in the show during BotCon '07. -Awa64 01:23, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * He wasn't confirmed in anyway though. And as far as I can tell, there's nowhere in the episode guide that introduces him

Yeah, I don't really think that we should have him there right now. Hope to god he's in though. Ragingtsunami726 02:23, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Ironhide

 * sooooo...Ironhide is not one of the Cybertrons Elite Guards anymore now that he got placed in the normal cast of autobots?--Grand-majin 16:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

UK Intro
I was watching TF:A in the UK and noticed that the intro has gained the adition of two red bars at the top and bottom of the screen, these are not in the versions i have downloaded... is this because of the change from NTSC to PAL or is it because they were animated in 16x9 while the rest of the show is 4x3?

Season 3?
"Season 3 is already in the works and season 4 is quite possible"--where was that ever confirmed? I thought we hadn't heard anything about the cartoon past "A Bridge Too Close." --Thylacine 2000 16:21, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Either Botcon or Comicon, if I recall. Mentioned that 1 and 2 were already in the can (and we know why now, given the way they're being aired back to back) and that they were taking this all the way.--RosicrucianTalk 16:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Cast List & Non-Show Characters
We have probably reached the point where the cast list on this page should be pruned of characters who haven't actually appeared in the show, like Blurr and Laserbeak. Opinions? JW 17:56, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, there is the possiblity of Blurr in Velocity, but I think Laserbeak can go for now. -- SFH 18:28, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Laserbeak is being planned for S3 apparently User:GWolfv2
 * Our general rule is that we wait for things to actually happen before putting them in the wiki, n'est-ce pas? JW 19:47, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * How about Oil Slick? He was designed to be a toy only character. And I have a hunch, so does Jetfire & Jetstrom. Where do we put them? --Hepathos 11:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * They're in Category:Animated characters and Category:Toy-only characters. That's the way we normally handle toy-only characters.  JW 11:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, toy-only characters might be found under.... oh, I dunno... maybe... Animated (toyline)? -- Repowers 14:16, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Once again, barring dissent, I'm going to go through the cast list and prune it of characters who haven't already appeared in the show. That way we don't try to predict who's a toy-only character, and we don't post stuff in advance of official announcements. Toy characters go on Animated (toyline), and all characters go in Category:Animated characters, but the cast list is for people who have appeared. Dissent? JW 20:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Criminy
Every time a writer or voice actor mentions someone as a "possibility" we have to spend three months removing them from the cast list. Now, it begins for Galvatron and Ratbat. And they're still talking about Waspinator as a "possibility" so we're still dealing with that one.--RosicrucianTalk 23:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Making new pages for episodes...?
So I was thinking I would try my hand at actually creating a page and adding some real content. I was gonna do it for Black Friday since it doesn't have a page, but I wanted to make sure there wasn't some rule against doing this for episodes that haven't aired yet, even though they already showed this one at Botcon. --Rose.T 06:48, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * We have a 30 day moratorium on 'club-exclusive' material. (So people don't just rush here and reach rephrased synopses instead of signing up.  Also because if you opt for the cheap shipping your stuff arrives later.)  In that instance, the material being 'protected' by the moratorium increases in value (for Fun Pub) because it is protected.  Black Friday is not a club exclusive (it was a con exclusive,) refraining from documenting it does not increase its value- or offer any secondary value to people who sign up for the collector's club in the future (unlike other club premiums, future members will never 'get' to watch he episode early again.)
 * The Botcon airing of Black Friday doesn't seem to be protected for any of the reasons we normally protect stuff. I'd say 'go ahead' unless someone else voices an objection. -75.168.112.43 07:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I say go for it, just use a spoiler tag. We had synopses for episodes that were essentially Canadian exclusive, at least for a week. - Semysane 09:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No. No spoiler tags in episode articles. If you're too stupid to realize that an article about the episode itself contains spoilers, then nothing can help you. —Interrobang 10:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm gonna disagree here, just on the off chance that someone clicks "random page" and winds up on the Black Friday page. The spoiler alert will give them time to get somewhere else before seeing something they might not want to.  -hx 11:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with Hooper. Having gone through the BW time when assholes spoiled things left and right in a big HEY I GOTS INSIDE INFO DIG ME douchebaggery festival, I'm all for making sure accidental spoilers don't happen. --M Sipher 14:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I invite all of you to Transformers Wiki Talk: Spoilers.--RosicrucianTalk 14:21, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see how that's not accomplished by the navbox at the top that clearly states it's the 26th episode of Animated. Or, y'know, the title. —Interrobang 14:25, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What about the page title "Garbage In Garbage Out" tells me that it's an unaired Animated episode, instead of some obscure storybook that I've never heard of or old comic book title that I've forgotten about? Spoiler warnings are common courtesy and have been since time immemorial (in Internet terms, anyway.) -- Repowers 14:46, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

More cast revealed
Creator Derrick has posted in his blog http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/ several faces of who appear to be, swindle, jetstorm, wreck gar, skywarp, shockwave, mixmaster, blurr, jetfire and thundercracker

Also, in the comments section he says and I quote "About Gurren Lagann: No, actually. I hadn't seen Gurren Lagann until after we had finished most of the first season of TFA. I wish I had, because I would have had the Headmaster robot transform with stubby little legs. And maybe Masterson's head popping up out of the top of the robot."
 * Who thinks these characters should be added to the cast list? I mean, the are confirmed.
 * Aside from Wreckgar, they haven't appeared yet. We're not adding people until they've had an episode appearance and a confirmed voice actor (if they have speaking lines).--RosicrucianTalk 03:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Profile problem
anyone else think a few of the profiles need to be tightened/tidied up. Magnus for example. Or Prime's(needs to be expandedd). They just feel like people have been adding stuff, instead of one steady piece of writing like profiles for other series...I've an idea for the ones I think need fixing, but rather get the go ahead before I have a goUser:GWolfv2
 * Don't really need approval. Pages usually need tightened up a bit after a few episodes air. Go for it.--RosicrucianTalk 15:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep. That's called "dogpiling" and it's a real problem when new episodes are revealing more info about a character -- people just tack stuff on without looking at what's already written. Drives me nuts! -- Repowers 16:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Reception
Simple Q: Should we add something about fan reaction, like we did with Sari's page. And I mean proper tuff, what's pleased, what was less well received. None of that rubbish about chins, or insulting fans or anything. Just, the reception section is fairly bare.
 * Please sign your posts, as instructed at the top of every Editing Talk screen. JW 19:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

"Always animated"
I think one could make a compelling arguement that the previous four TV seriese weren't animated... --M Sipher 17:51, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

What century is this?
I may just be forgetful in my old age, but have they ever made reference in the show to exactly when it takes place? 21st century, 22nd century? If so, in which episode? JW 11:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * In "Blast from the Past," Isaac says his new circuitry will bring Dino Drive into the 22nd century. --Thylacine 2000 14:09, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The packaging blurb on the back of the Transform and Roll Out DVD says 22nd century as well. --ItsWalky 14:12, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Excellent, the DVD is the sort of evidence I was looking for, thank you. (The BftP quote isn't conclusive; lots of people in the 1990s were talking about gearing up for the 21st century.)  JW 14:24, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Starscream Clones
ADVANCED SPOILERS ARE NOT WELCOME ON THE WIKI, SHITSTAIN. --M Sipher 03:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Aaaand since the discussion got nuked, I'll just repost my last point which was not spoilerish. You're not getting what I'm saying, KrytenKoro. They were detonated because they were living bombs. That's a bit different. Those two are likely not going to be back, or if they are they'll basically be clones based off of the same archetypes, not the same characters. The clones are inherently disposable. The G1 cast pages don't list every individual insecticon clone.--RosicrucianTalk 04:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * glory be...anyway, I get what you're saying. However, by that tack we might as well remove all the Guest characters until they make multiple appearances. The Insecticon clones, as far as I understand, where "perfect" clones - same design, same personality, and more an ability then actual characters. The Starscream clones have different designs and personalities, and seem to be getting different toys. They have a named faction which plays as an important "third party" in the series, and may not all have the same voice actor. I get that, by the nature of their appearance they "probably" won't come back in the same capacity, but I still feel that they play a big enough role in that episode to be considered full characters, and that they are unique enough to not just be labeled "generic". However, if it will work as a compromise, could we at least list Starscream clones as a cast "member"?
 * Also, why did you put Lockdown back in the guest section? He doesn't at all fit the guidelines for it, since he has both multiple appearances and a named "group" (which I had to remove as an attempt at compromise, but still...).
 * I don't want to preemptively edit before an agreement, so if you do agree, please tell me or perform the changes yourself.KrytenKoro 06:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Wait, I had to miss something while I was at work. I wanna know what the fuck happened that had this whole conversation blasted into oblivion. Seriously y'all, what the hell happened?--AWT88 02:09, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Spoilers. Spoilers happened.--Carrion 02:27, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Can I have a name of who spoiled something, or do we keep their names withheld? Or was it someone who didn't sign their name?--AWT88 02:37, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Just check the diffs if you really must know.--RosicrucianTalk 03:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think its really appropriate to start off a section by addressing the reader as a "shitstain". its rather vulgar and clearly has no place in this discussion. (yea, i was serious!) Don't we have a rule against vulgarity on our quaint little wiki?--Skyglide 03:32, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it comes as no mystery at all that a great many of us are at our wits' end due to the freaking season finale spoilers that keep finding their way into the talkpages.--RosicrucianTalk 03:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Understandable. I accidently watched a bridge to close on FanTransformers page on youtube. in doing so, i clearly ruined alot of stuff for myself...alot. Still, no need for vulgarity. I like to think we run a respectable establishment here at Teletraan-1. --Skyglide 03:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think the Starscream clones need to be referred to as a cast member on the mainpage in any catagory, currently they are Macguffins rather than fully fledged characters even if they do seem to show an independent personality. I wouldn't mind if they were listed as cast in episodes they appear in, but as of "A fistful of energon" they have NO place in the main page. They are little more than a plot device to make Starscream a threat (and I'm all for that) as he is operating independently of the Decepticons with no one backing him up. If their characters are developed later on, then A.) that is spoilers, and as such should not be presented, or hinted at through formatting in this wiki until the episode in question airs in North America and B.) I will track down and break the fingers of anyone whomever spoils the season finale for me with their own keyboard (Okay not really, but I will be very very pissed off). A pox and rude language on the talk page of any offenders. (Undecided) 05:44, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Changing Characters Section. Oy.
So, um, anyone want to restore stabiity to the "Cast" section? Lockdown in particular. I've forgotten what he IS, you've been changing him around too much. (Not really, but you get my drift.) And while we're at it, I think that the Dinobots and Elite Guard might do better under "Guests". Or maybe not. Any feedback? Galvanisation 12:04, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * We group them under their appropriate subgroupings when applicable, just to make it easy to link to the subgroup articles. What absolutely mystifies me though is that some users seem to think that a character being under "guests" is like the kiss of death around here. I just don't get the point of inventing some sort of "secondary cast" header or "bounty hunters" subgroup to keep Lockdown out of the "guests" list because he's been in two episodes instead of one.--RosicrucianTalk 14:38, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * They seem to think of "Guest" in the G1 cartoon sense, that is little (or no) lines, maybe uses their "power" once or twice and disappears for the rest of the season leaving the viewer to wonder why they were in the episode in the first place. I guess most if us have just gotten used to characters either being in the spotlight or ending up as scenery. (Undecided) 06:00, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Criticism and Reception
Can we add a section on this, like there is on the UT series, once Season 2 is out of the way? User:GWolfv2 20.33 June 6th 2008

Air Dates
Okay, I'm going to admit-- I download this series. As such I have no idea when episodes air in the US, and I suspect this is true for others based on some very vague "Ugh,you know... whenever it airs" comments.

Is there a sits somewhere that lists the US airdates of upcoming Animated episodes to aid in the setting of spoiler expirations? -Derik 11:10, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * —Interrobang 00:12, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's okay Derik. I'm totally off as well. -- SFH 01:22, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

This kinda references the air dates but not really the dates. For A Bridge Too Close (I and II) could we not add to those pages until they air in North America? I have nothing against other English speaking countries that have seen the show, but could we please not add to those shows until it airs in North America?--AWT88 16:49, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Urrrrrgggghhh. —Interrobang 17:38, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * A coherent response: Have you ever tried simply not looking at those pages if you don't want to be spoiled? —Interrobang 17:40, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Shorts?
Should there be articles for the two Transformers Shorts seen the the Transform and Roll Out DVD? - Spongezilla 16:50 22 Jun 2008 (UTC)
 * There should certainly be, but I don't have the DVD, so... —Interrobang 23:00, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, I do. But I'm not real great with starting pages. You problely could make a small section next to the season 2 piece. -- Spongezilla 10:18, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No need; I just finished creating the pages and filling in the information, so we should be all set. However, both are missing some crucial information, including their Writing and Directing credits.  Provided someone knows where that can be found, that should be filled in. Prowl and Bumblebee is also in need of an image, and I'd rather not have to resort to YouTube screencaps, so if someone has the DVD, that's gotta be taken care of too. And if there's any animation/cointinuity errors, those still need to be added as well. Still, for what it's worth, most of the information has been filled in, so all that's left is to take care of the last few details... -- Cyberlink420 17:58, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I was just about to get some images. Thanks Cyberlink420 Ok, I put in the images. They're a little big because I shot them from my DVD players. 15:44, June 2008 --Spongezilla 15:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC)