Talk:Revenge of the Fallen (film)

We know that it wants to be done, we know that people are signed on and that there are already new characters being thought-up, but we don't have official confirmation that there will be a sequel. -- Hunter-113 12:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

On the other hand, considering the take, they'd be nuts not to do a sequel.

I think this article should stay. It seems obvious that they will make a transformers 2, after how well the first one has done they'd never pass a chance up to make a sequal. This article gives good information on what is known so far about the possible t2 and as it furthers in developement this article will be the perfect spot to place the updates. ---Guest

Scary enough, Moviefone has a listing for "Transformers 2", with a 2010 "release date". --Terrocon Blot 01:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Given that an admittedly somewhat tentative release date has already been announced, I'd say we certainly should have a TF2 article- however, I also have to admit that this current version needs a lot of work.--TVsGrady 19:44, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I think my sources are accurate, but I unfortunately do not remember where I heard all this stuff I put on. The RIBFIR Dude 16:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Then don't put your bullshit in, Kremzeek. —Interrobang 16:58, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Who is he? Why do you all think I'm him? No one has ever given me a link to this guy so I dont know who he is! Tell me who is Kremzeek? The RIBFIR Dude 17:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I say move this article to the 'Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen' page. The title is more percise plus I incorrectly thought the article 'Transformers 2' was about the 'Transformers: Generation Two' line. - Zadok Rox 17:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Citations Needed
For the alleged facts that were already in the article, it would be best if we could have references for them, to avoid this page becoming rampant speculation and rumormongering. So, I added a bunch of "Citation Needed". JW 20:06, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Man, you are evil. (I'm assuming you erased what I wrote.) Everything I had in there was logical. For example, I learned about the aircraft carrier on Wikipedia, and saw Starscream flying into space on the TRansformers DVD. I am learning the whole wiki business one step at a time, and currently, I have no idea how to make citations.
 * Please learn how to make edits properly before making edits. Practice on your user page, and study how existing pages were made.  The wiki itself is not a training ground.  Edits that aren't up to our standards will be reverted.
 * Also, please study the history of any given page before making wrong accusations about who edited what.
 * Also also, please sign your posts to talk pages. JW 22:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Writers Strike stuff
With the strike over, and no particular evidence it slowed the development of TF2 much, I'm thinking the whole paragraph about the strike could just be cut. Five years from now, it would just say something like, "A year and a half before TF2 was released, there was a multi-month writers strike in Hollywood, which didn't have much effect on the movie." That's pretty uninteresting. Opinions? JW 19:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I dunno. I do think it's interesting that Bay was so fired up before the strike that he just forged ahead on movie prep without even having a script.--RosicrucianTalk 19:59, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I think you should rephrase that--He did have a script, but it was more of the ouline they completed after TWO WEEKS of writing, and he turned it into a script..with some 'michael bay humor' added..whatever that means..and they've even said they're not sure if they can undo or fix certain things, so they are seeing what is too far along to fix and what isnt..and what of this 'realease date' of 2010? is it true?--Chipmonk329

Transformers 2 script leak..or so it says...I want to see if you think this is true or not: http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2007/10/transfomers-2-leaked-script.html ---Chipmonk329

ROTF
This is NOT offically confirmed, so it shouldn't be listed here. Yes the name was registered a few weeks back, as were three or four others. Until Paramount or Hasbro or someone officially releases it, shouldn't be mentioned here. The site that released this is no more offical then the one that said we'd be getting Devastator, and we're not putting that up. User:GWolfv2 16.46 June 5th
 * I assumed Don Murphy was official enough, but okay. --Thylacine 2000 16:33, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Confirmation from Hasbro --KilMichaelMcC 17:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Don Murphy is as reliable a source as Michael Bay on these things. Hasbro on the other hand...thanks for thatKilMichael User:GWolfv2

Why is The Link from a key character to megatron? I Thought it would be starscream. After all, he isn't dead, and there is the fact that they even had an escape sequence.

On the other Hand Fallen=Unicron which could me Galvatron.

Wait, wait, wait... When was "Revenge of the Fallen" confirmed? Because I've heard nothing about that name whatsoever (maybe because my PC is being a bitch and won't bring up TFW2005).--AWT88 00:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * There is a hyperlink to Hasbro somewhere. Hint: It's in this section. —Interrobang 01:04, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

More details confirmed(?)
What do you think? Sound trustworthy, or should we call BS on it for the moment? -- Cyberlink420 16:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Those come form a supposed leak, and I think we're avoiding those User:GWolfv2 17.47 June 6th

For the cast, can we confirm more Autobots than just Prime? People have spotted the vehicles for Rachet, Ironhide, Bumblebee, hell even Jazz's vehicle (even though Bay said "No Jazz in TF2". And now pics from the set and casting call are supporting Arcee as one of the characters as well with a holo-driver.  Of course these aren't confirmed by producers or directors, but they at the set so could we?  Pretty please?  These are just things that I've seen over the past week on the interwebs; so what do y'all think?--AWT88 03:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Jetfire has been confirmed as a SR-71 Blackbird. Felancer Prime 14:15, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Given how character names changed during production of the first film, it is a bit premature to say that "Jetfire" is confirmed. --KilMichaelMcC 14:25, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, you bring up a good point. But reguardless, someone has been confirmed, and that someone's altmode is an SR-17 Blackbrid. The name is currently Jetfire, but it's not set in stone. I guess that's how I should've worded it. Felancer Prime 05:00, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * We will not add information to these pages based on snuck photographs. --ItsWalky 05:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What exactly is you definition of "snuck photos"?--AWT88 04:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hint: if you think there's a chance these photos might qualify as 'snuck,' then they do. -Derik 04:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If I was trying to spread misinformation about my movie, I think the first thing I would do is have every vehicle possible driving around the set, including an Ice Cream Van, a Milk Float, A Steam Roller, a bumper car, a roller coaster and a Clown Car, just so I could spend the next week laughing that the fan speculation on these "new characters". Considering we know misinformation is being spread, vehicles seen on or near the sets is pretty obviously not all going to actually appear in the actual movie... Just so you know, the Milk float would so be the red hearing, and actually turn out to be Kup in the actual movie...Shadow Mask Prime 21:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Comfirmed list
This is a list of robots that were mentioned on wikipedia so far


 * Optimus prime
 * Bumblebee
 * Ratchet
 * Ironhide
 * Arcee
 * Starscream
 * Barricade
 * Soundwave
 * Jetfire

Scorponok wasn't seen dead nor mentioned dead but he is uncomfirmed to appear in the 2nd Movie. 82.17.140.55 15:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia alone is not a verifiable source. --Sntint 16:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Forgive me, but was Blackout killed in the first movie? I can't get ahold of it right now. If he wasn't wouldn't he be back.
 * He's dead. --FFN 14:16, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

No '2' in the title, according to Roberto Orci
Hey guys, it was reported that Paramount has informed the Transformerslive blogsite that there is no '2' in the sequel title, making the current official title Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, and it was discovered that Hasbro has registered 'transformersrevengeofthefallen.com'. Additionally, Roberto Orci confirmed there is no 2 in the title. So do we move this article or what? --FFN 06:26, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Bumblebee and Starscream
Isn't it safe to put Bumblebee and Starscream in the "confirmed characters" list. For one, Robert Orci himself said that Starscream will have more dialogue and that Bumblebee is returning. (Especially Bumblebee since I don't think Sam would trade in his kickass transforming alien car for an identical, normal one.)

http://www.seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=12448

06:55, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes it is safe... 13:41, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * What we see in photos from on the set is not permissible information. --ItsWalky 14:59, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * But confirmation from Orci is. Felancer Prime 22:11, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

What?
When was Wheeljack confirmed? 12:58, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Nevermind... 13:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Simmons
My mom (I do have one, you know) says she saw something on Sci-Fi (TV commercial or website I'm not sure) a while ago that said Agent Simmons would return for the sequel, and I've also seen the actor who plays him (don't know the name) in pics from the filming. Think the article should mention it? Not Steve 14:27, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Not until there's an official announcement. If someone can corroborate the commercials or broadcast material on Sci-Fi with visual evidence, that will do nicely.  Barring that, we need something from a source at Paramount or Hasbro, such as an announcement at a panel, a news item on an official movie-related web site, a direct quote on a TV show, etc.--Apcog 14:48, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay since I'm not sure where she heard it I guess we'll have to wait. Not Steve 14:55, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Dinobots aren't in the sequel
I put it on the page and the admins keep deleting it! its confirmed! i even provided a link like it said. why does it keep getting deleted?
 * Maybe the Admins only wan't to see the characters IN the film. --Hepathos 16:17, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

The Fallen
The Fallen has been confirmed to be a character in the movie. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17412) Secretcode 19:14, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No. You severely misread that article. Felancer Prime 00:46, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Did I? http://tfarchive.com/community/showpost.php?p=619464&postcount=219 Secretcode 01:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Furman states there in discussing The 13 that Revenge of the Fallen is using the Fallen character from the 13. IDW has the Revenge screenplay, and Furman himself is writing the Revenge adaptation. Plus, as secretcode linked, Nevermore pretty much never gets things wrong when provided with the information at hand, unless the information itself is wrong. --FFN 03:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but MTV has ALSO confirmed that The Fallen is the main villian, also confirming Arcee and reconfirming Soundwave-- http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/07/28/exclusive-transformers-2-prequel-comic-gives-inside-scoop-on-2009-movie/

"“[We're going to] explore the background of The Fallen — the main villain of the movie — as well as expand on the ‘Reign of Starscream’ story that we’re doing and tie everything in to what this next movie is going to be,” explained writer Chris Mowry."

"Two of those fan-favorite characters are Soundwave and Arcee, both of whom find themselves recruited for the sequel."Secretcode 22:37, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Aaaand it seems like the article was edited and now only talks about Soundwave. Huh.--Nevermore 22:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * And now all references to a character named The Fallen and IDW having a copy of the script have been removed as well.--Nevermore 19:32, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Ironhide
why did u take him out of the confirmed characters list?? so youre saying that Ironhide isnt going to be in the movie? Despite all the sightings of his alternate form and set? huh?
 * That isn't an official confirmation.--RosicrucianTalk 18:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, just because there's a black truck in the movie doesn't mean it's Ironhide. It could be a different Transformer alltogether, like Kup, or it might not even BE a Transformer; it could just be a truck. -- Semysane 22:03, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * What happens when the pictures from the sets have an Autobot or Decepticon logo on it? --75.181.69.137 00:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * ...then that logo shows up in filming?
 * Seriously- our policy is "no info from leaked, snuck or stolen sources." Why would the fact the snuck photos have clear logos on them make any difference? -Derik 00:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah but its kinda of codinence its the same truck as Ironhide, here i got proof

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/set-photos-from-transformers-2-at-edwards-air-force-base-new-vehicle-revealed/13533/   go to that link
 * As we've said, pictures don't matter. Jazz bit the dust in the first movie yet the Soltice was seen here and there. Doesn't remove the fact that he's dead. We'll add Ironhide to the list once Orci, Bay or whoever else actually says "Ironhide is in the movie yay!". Until then, quit arguing. --Detour 03:11, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "codinence"? What?--FFN 08:47, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Coincidence? No, but considering they had Told us they're Spreading False Info On Purpose, it is just as likely those vehicles are parked there To Confuse People..... see what I said above somewhere..... Any pictures we get, without OFFICIAL confirmation, are likely to be the film crew messing with our heads. Sure, it is pretty likely Ironhide will be in the film, but We're not adding without Actual Confirmation.Shadow Mask Prime 16:05, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry i am arguing, but just asking? I havent heard Starscream being confirmed.
 * Starscream has been mentioned in several IDW interviews. The sequel's prequel comic in specific mentioned wanting to focus on him because he was gonna be in the movie. -Derik 22:27, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Guess who's back?
And he's a tank. Awesome.

Also, the Fallen's been re-confirmed. -- Cyberlink420 19:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, because IGN parroting back what CHUD claimed makes it such reliable confirmations. --Detour 19:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Devastator
I was cruising Facebook the other day, and, as part of the Revenge of the Fallen promotion, became a fan on the Decepticon page. That's when I noticed this.

I don't know if an image on a Facebook page, even one supposedly created by the movie staff, is "official" enough to be considered a source, so I'm wondering whether or not it should be mentioned in the article. Personally, I think it looks a little too much like G1 Devastator... but you never know. --Martonimos 07:18, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Fan image (confirmed as such at least a kajillion times at this point), we have no proof the Facebook page was even done by the movie people or just a random fan who wanted to give them a page (I'm leaning towards the latter, see the image labeled Bonecrusher for proof), etc. etc. etc. etc. --Detour 07:31, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * All right. Sorry for being n00bish. --Martonimos 18:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * At least you asked politely instead of insisting it be posted or just posting it yourself without checking. Two points in your favor.  Next serve.--Apcog 19:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be a nervous fanboy about this or noobish (not really one, but whatever), but I jsut seen on TFW2005.com that Devastator has been confirmed as a character in RotF. It goes on to say that -- Seven construction vehicles merge to form Devastator - Devastator has lots of upper body strength, like a gorilla - Not just green, some of the vehicles are red and yellow - The previous Long Haul concept art by Josh Nizzi is legit (if you haven't seen it, it looks pretty good). Again, not being a nervous fanboy or noobish, the only reason that I'm not posting it on the article is because I have no idea where they got the "confirmed" news. If you want to check it out, it's on the main page. Tell me what you think, just don't be too harsh.--AWT88 20:30, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If there was a source of sorts somewhere we might've added it, but it's completely unsourced so we're treating it like a rumor. --Detour 20:36, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah I can understand that, because that's exactly what I see it as. I messaged the guy who posted it, but haven't heard anything back on where he heard it.  When he does, then if it's a reputable source (writer, director, producer, etc.) then I'll probably post it.--AWT88 20:45, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Who knows? The source would pretty much have to post it himself somehow... because the poster just saying, say, "Oh, Scott Farrar told me." or something still isn't concrete evidence. --Detour 21:00, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * AWT88, please think logically, instead of trying to legitimise this news so it can be posted here. Tim Formas wasn't going to post his source in the news post (because his source obviously doesn't want to be identified), why would he tell some random person via PM? And even if he did, it would be impossible to verify. --FFN 22:22, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I get what you're saying. If I was trying to legitimize it, I was unaware I was doing it.  I can understand that he probably (almost a guaranty) wouldn't want to post anything to some random poster just so same random poster could put it on another site.  I never took this as concrete evidence because it never came from a producer, writer, director, etc., just something I seen and tried to find out to see what others would think; maybe help out some.  I can still hold out hope; nothing's probably going to happen, but I can still hope I get a response.--AWT88 03:44, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Basically, there are VERY few sources we can accept as legitimate and official; they're ALL the kind where there's absolutely no doubt about it. If it can be called into question, it has no place here.  Press releases, official web sites, officially released documentaries, creator interviews... that's about it.  Anything else is right out. -- Repowers 04:19, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Rumor category?
Should there be a rumor catergory, for rumors like the one about wheel jack being the Saab?
 * No. --M Sipher 04:44, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't mean to be prick but why not?
 * Because they're rumors, this wiki is about facts, unless it's something really old which depends solely on speculation, like Cyclonus's Armada. --Detour 04:48, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Alright, thanks.

Stuff that we know
Ya' know guys, there are tons of information we know about the movie, that most of the scenes takes place in China, Icecreamtron, the new concept cars, there will be multiple storylines: shouldn't we add them to the article, like under Trivia or something? --Hepathos 01:32, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

No. All unofficial GWolfv2
 * Has any of this stuff you claim we "know" about the movie been revealed through OFFICIAL SOURCES? Or is it based on paparrazzi photos snapped on the set, illegally leaked inside materials and friend-of-a-friend rumors?--Nevermore 08:10, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The only stuff we know that you just suggested in your post are that filming took place in Penn., the Audi R8 is going to be in the movie (possibly a character), there is going to be a (some?) motorcycle character(s), and the stuff on the page. Everything else is pure speculation. I've been told that quite a few times on this page.--AWT88 16:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Which is why this is going to be a painful few months on the movie articles.--RosicrucianTalk 16:32, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Ironhide and ratchet are in the movie for the last time
I keep trying to add them to the list but they keep getting deleted! their vehicle modes where spotted on set so im guessing thats official?72.192.48.119 15:25, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * "Spotted on the set" isn't really official. Those photographs weren't taken by sanctioned press, they were passers-by or campers who got lucky glimpses.  Sorry! --Sntint 15:33, 6 September 2008 (UTC)