Talk:FIBRIR

So, what's the official position, right now?--GUIGUI 18:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * There is none. --ItsWalky 18:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Clever of them. But were Frenzy and Rumble featured in Dreamwave or IDW? And if yes, in wich colors? --GUIGUI 19:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Dreamwave was inconsistent. IIRC, they were cartoon colors in the stories and toy/comic colors in the MTMTE profile books.  They have not appeared yet in IDW.  (Alternators Rumble is red, however.) --ItsWalky 19:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I believe that the few times that they appeared in Dreamwave's comics, they were always together and so it was impossible to tell which was which. - Dark T Zeratul 23:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * If we assume that the use of piledrivers indicates that it was Rumble, then the little fella was blue in the first DW G1 miniseries, but after that, Dark T's right, they were always together and were never singled out, so it's impossible to tell who's who based on colour. Then, they were done in toy colours for MTMTE. - Chris McFeely 00:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The "Who's who" in the back of the War and Peace TPB identifies them as their toy colors. --ItsWalky 01:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

This article should be moved to FIBRIR, with RIBFIR as a redirect. -Derik 23:47, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Change To Chart
A whole new approach to the chart might better convey the information. Tufte says that if you're trying convey info about color, and you can print in color, you'd be a fool not to use it. Maybe like so?

(We keep the words "red" and "blue" for people who are blind or just color blind, for those not using color monitors, or using text browsers, etc.) JW 15:22, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, this chart is much nicer and clearer than the one in the article now. I vote for switching it in immediately.

If we want to keep the FIBRIR, we could do something like this:

I also removed the Japanese Toy row since the toys were the same in all markets and put the rows in order of release.--FortMax 17:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not entirely certain we do want to keep FIB and RIR in the chart. I personally think "providing information" is a slightly higher priority than "being a supportive environment for Transformers fans."  Actually using the words "Frenzy" and "Blue" provides the information most clearly.  Using "FIB" and "RIR" where not necessary is being fannish for its own sake.  (Note that I do think there is a place in this Wiki for fannishness for its own sake, most certainly, but I don't think it should be priority #1.)  JW 18:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I think JW's table is the best option. Use wikitable markup instead of HTML, though. Simpler to look at/edit. --Steve-o 01:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Using Fib or RiR or whatever is MUCH WORSE. The point is clarity. Using JWs original words Red and Blue is much clearer and and simpler and hence much better.


 * Since I'm seeing a lot of approval, and I figured out how to do a colored table in Wiki markup, I'll implement it now. (With FortMax's suggested modification of consolidating the "toys" entries, and doing 'em in release order.)  JW 02:44, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Good thing there was a warning, or I would have changed it to:

Not quite. See the new topic I made. The RIBFIR Dude 20:53, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

New Chart Includes 1986 Movie
I know most of you are against the purple, but I think we should make the chart look like this because it includes the 1986 movie where Rumble actually was blue:


 * Personally, I prefer it the way it is. Not least because there's a scene in the movie where they're both red, and why invite more confusion? JW 21:15, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but that was just an animation glitch that was only for about two seconds. The RIBFIR Dude 21:33, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * And if you watch, you can clearly see that Rumble is definetly blue and not purple in the movie. The RIBFIR Dude 16:28, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Are they actually named in the movie? In the brief scene where they're two different colors?  JW 16:34, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure, but you could check the script and see who said what. (The blue one said "uncrazimatic") The RIBFIR Dude 16:58, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * In the movie, Rumble is exactly the same colors he always is in the cartoon. Maybe you're overestimating how purple cartoon Rumble is.  --ItsWalky 16:37, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know about that. I'd double check, but my G1 DVDs were on loan from a buddy of mine and I already gave them back. The RIBFIR Dude 16:56, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If you can provide screenshots from the TV cartoon and the movie, showing a substantial difference in coloration, and the appropriate excerpt from the script, I'll reconsider my position on making changes to the table. Otherwise, best to leave things as they are. JW 17:06, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think I'll end up ever doing that. So we may as well leave it as it is. But keep this on the talk page just in case. The RIBFIR Dude 17:29, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and did it, and I don't see any difference between the two. Semysane 22:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)