Talk:Matrix of Leadership

I thought the Matrix contained the accumulated wisdom of the ages?
 * wide eyed*

In the cartoons, yes. In the comics, however, it contained the essence of Primus, and as such was what allowed Prime to give life to new Transformers/destroy Unicron with it.

The Matrix of Leadership accumulated the Wisdom of the Ages by being a portal to the Allspark. When a Transformer is alive, it grows in knowledge, and when it dies, its Spark returns to the Allspark and adds its experience to the whole. --ItsWalky

So... how exactly dids it 'use up' the wisdom of the ages in Return of Optimus Priem then? ...and for that matter, how the hell did they recharge it with a nuclear power plant? ;-)

The Matrix serves many different purposes. It's a Tchotke of Ultimate Power, or - literally - a Deus-Ex-Machina.

I think it's referred to as The PowerPack in the Japanese continuity, and at this is the simplest example of it's functionality - a large battery.

It is also the Prime Matrix. It essentially contains Primus's "blueprints" for the Transformer race, which are continually reinterpreted by Vector Sigma, in association with the knowledge and sparks of those Transformers who have returned to the Allspark. (I suspect that this is why Vector Sigma occasionally requires that the Matrix be brought to it - so that it can be updated)

It is also these days, most likely home to the Creation Matrix, a program which was at one point resident in Optimus Prime (and Buster Witwicky's) head.

It is sometimes referred to as The Autobot Matrix of Leadership, though it seems like this is a mostly ceremonial thing - It is possible to lead the Autobots without it, but it's usually placed in possession of the leader for safekeeping.

Finally, it is - or has evolved into, at least in some continuities, an entity in it's own right --ttk

Japanese Matrix confusion.
-BW2 and Neo's Matrices are NOT the Matrix of Leadership. They are seperate, OTHER Matrixes. They should be listed on a pages about Matrixes, not on the MoL page, which has a rich and stories history without involving the other things.

-FIRE CONVOY DID NOT HAVE A MATRIX. yes, I know his toy was designed with one? It's his Power Filter. The producers of the CR series didnt' want to deal with matrix-shit, so they made it his Power Filter. That's why he plugs an energy cable right into it one episode while recharging.

Rid DUBBED that power filter back into beign the Matrix of Leadership. Yes, it's stupid and complicated, but that's hwo it is. -Derik 08:54, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I was just about to note this. I just remembered I'd deleted this crap once before for the same reason. X-Bob, seriously, learn to spell and stop spamming this wiki with the same stuff over and over -- or otherwise manage to be useful somehow -- or you're going bye-bye. --ItsWalky 09:04, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

The Spelling complaint I can understand, but spamming? X-BoB58 12:23, 27 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Perhaps I'm Wrong, but this is what I've been Told many a time by several different sources. When they were producing BWII (or perhaps when they were producing Neo--who the hell knows anymore) the Japanese Continuity Guys decided that at some point after G1, under unknown circumstances, the Matrix of Leadership was fragmented or split up and a fragment was given to each member of the Convoy Council (or only the best members, or something like that.) This is why LioConvoy and Big Convoy have Matrixes, even though they probably couldn't be 'technically' called the Matrix of Leadership, it's definitely supposed to be a fragment of it. But Anyway. Fire Convoy would also, in theory, have this in his chest (Although Fire Convoy, and indeed most of the RID-related cast, has a questionable existance 'in' the original continuity, but for the moment we'll assume that they do exist). So he plugs a cable into it in one ep. That doesn't mean much--Big Convoy used to hook his Matrix up to the Big Cannon. But yeah. Those three are definitely shards of the Matrix of Leadership. Now, whether this is worth actually mentioning or not, that's up to you. >.> Onslaught Six 07:38, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I wanna write an article for the Beast Wars II and Neo versions of the Matrix, but you guys don't want it on this page. So what should I name it, then? They are Matrices of Leadership, just not THE Matrix of Leadership. So what would be a good name to use "Matrix of Leadership (BW)"? No?--DrSpengler 00:12, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't... THINK they had names. I think an article called 'Lioconvoy's Matrix' would be fine. -Derik 00:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

But should I make seperate articles for Big Convoy's Matrix and Optimus Primal's/Beast Convoy's Matrix? Or should I just bunch em all under Lioconvoy's Matrix?--DrSpengler 01:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Alright, I went ahead and wrote an article under Leadership Matrix, as that seemed to work well-enough. --DrSpengler 01:24, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Fire Convoy
While I see here - and have seen it said elsewhere (mostly by Derik!) - that Fire Convoy did not have a Matrix in Car Robots, I've also heard other people say that he DID, and that God Magnus had his own, and wanted to take Fire Convoy's for himself to increase his own power. It was the overspill of power which resulted from this, so I've heard, that was responsible for the powering-up of the Car Brothers. Anyone know wot's wot? - Chris McFeely 21:07, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * At the moment, I'm not sure about God Magnus having a Matrix of his own, but I have some proof that Fire Convoy himself DID possess a Matrix.


 * Here


 * This is a scan from a Car Robots guidebook I got at BotCon. The arrow pointing to where Fire Convoy's flip-up Matrix panel on the toy says (roughly):


 * "Energon Matrix. Computer that stores fight data. Proof of his position as Leader."


 * Incidentally, that other thing in his torso is his Spark (which is indicated by a text box on the page below).


 * So, there you go. Fire Convoy's Energon Matrix. I'll check the rest of my books later to see if there's anything about Lio Convoy or Big Convoy's matrices. --Monzo 06:07, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Doug E. Fresh speaketh
 * I'm tired of relying on source books. Clearly, at one point it was goign to be a Matrix, but then they changed their minds (or vice versa.)  Which was it in the finished episodes in Japan?
 * (Takara considers CR and RiD the same series, so just callign ti a Matrix isnt' awful, but I'd reallyprefer we get our facts straight.)-Derik 06:58, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The online TV Tokyo episode summaries for Car Robots episodes 24 and 25 speak of how God Magnus "aims for Fire Convoy's Energon Matrix". Here.


 * I've found nothing in my books or on Japanese websites that suggests that God Magnus had his own Energon Matrix, but simply that he was after Fire Convoy's, and that trying to take it was what triggered their fusion into God Fire Convoy.


 * As for the Cybertronia Engine, perhaps that was an early idea that was dropped, or a misinterpretation? Maybe if we could find the original page..


 * As for other Matrices, here's some data on Lio Convoy.


 * According to that page, Lio Convoy ALSO has an Energon Matrix (it's the thing under the panel on his chest). Roughly, the text says: "Energon Matrix. An energy box which only Cybertron leaders possess. Maximum output of 105 00000 horsepower."


 * That it's called an Energon Matrix is backed up by the Robot Masters toy's bio. I've yet to find a name for Big Convoy's Matrix, alas. Maybe it's also an Energon Matrix.


 * Well... boo. Since Fire Convoy plugged his repowering hose into the 'matrix' in one episode of CR, I assumed the Power Converter version was what was in play for the cartoon.
 * I guess I have to remember, this is Japan, the country that decided you could recharge the wisdom of the ages by hooking the matrix up to a nuclear power plant. -Derik 09:49, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * See, I was thinking that the little socket-thingie wasn't his Matrix, but that he had his Matrix stored somewhere else in his body, like, behind the windows of his small bot mode, as usual. I mean, Magnus's attempt to take it didn't involve going for that socket in any way, and heck, in Omega Prime mode, the piece containing that socket isn't even involved. Christ, RiD took all this and made it SO MUCH more sensible. - Chris McFeely 20:17, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * (EDIT: Not RM Lio Convoy's bio, his instructions. My bad.)


 * For an unexpected twist, check out this Galvatron page. Item 10 is... the "Galva-Matrix"! That marble-thingie on his chest. My translator had trouble with this one, unfortunately. "Galva-Matrix. In life, a Spark-protecting crystal sphere. (Something about the future), it will carry a mysterious power."


 * I'd guess that the Galva-Matrix isn't a "true" Matrix, but just something done to emphasize Galvatron as Lio Convoy's counterpart. Still, may be worth a footnote --Monzo 09:10, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * IIRC, the Galva-Matrix is a supercomputer from Gaea that Galvatron stuck in his chest... or something. It is not a trtue Matrix, but he calsl it that.  (And I don't know enough about BW2 to know whether or nto it ha any affinity for Amogolis or not.) -Derik 09:49, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Dreamwave Continuity

 * I've added more info, but this probably needs more fleshing out. And if someone could find a better picture, preferably of the matrix visible through Optimus's damaged chestplate, that'd be grand. Fulcrum 15:45, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Amalgamation and sources
I haven't looked at this article in a little while, but I have some concerns with its current state. The introduction is concise, but combines several ideas about the Matrix into a single story which could mislead readers who don't realize that it is an amalgamation of many different ideas. Later in the article this becomes more clear, but the introduction needs some sort of a statement that it is making a meta-continuity/retcon-rich summary.

Additionally, I am not familiar with the factoid given in the G1 section about Prime being the seventh Matrix bearer. On what is that statement based? Does it even apply to the cartoon universe?

Both of these concerns are basically the same thing: the article needs to be precise and forthcoming about where its information comes from, and how broadly applicable that information is.

--Steve-o 22:09, 27 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Prime being the seventh Matrix bearer 'may' be based on something Alpha Trion said at some point--or it *could* be taken from one of those third season eps where Roddy goes into the Matrix to seek the wisdom of the dead guys. But probably Trion. Onslaught Six 07:40, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the BM entry should be 'see: allspark.' The Allspark may be caleld the Matrix, but it's not the Matrix of Leadership, which refers to the physical housing-- the artifact itself. Or was there soem dumbass explicit statement the MOL was the Allspark I blocked otu from BM? -Derik 04:31, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

How do we handle this ?
This page was a horrible mush of different objects from different continuities and fannon relating them. I fixed it so that it actually talks specifically about the MoL wich is VERY different from the Creation Matrix and the others, but now I see that the CM page just redirects here. How do we fix that. Thoughts? ZacWilliam 02:54, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * With a Diagram, and little lines pointing to its parts? "Matrix of Leadership A.K.A. the Matrix Holder"  "Crystal, contains Wisdom of the Ages A.k.a. the severed power of Primus, and the Creation Matrix program."  "Also contaisn a direct access tot he Allspark Dimension."
 * I think that breaking down by continuity is... rather a bad idea, actually, since in most modern meta-continuities, the Matrix will probably contain almost all of its aspects, even if they're not explicitly stated. You'd be better off with notes at the beginning of each fiction section noting that the MOL's aspects are limited ot X in this continuity.
 * Here's something to ask- is the MoL related to the Matrix in Armada? I mean related in the same sense that the Unicrons are?  What about the Mini-cons having their own allspark dimensiona in Linkage, and their own Matrix (apparently not really related to the full-sized TF's) in the Armada comic? -Derik 08:05, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Originally I changed it mainly because I saw on Disambig. page that each variation on the Matrix seemes to already have its own page, wich seemed to suggest that this page should be only for the ACTUAL MoL from the cartoon. The problem is that really despite being based on the same McGuffin from the movie the MoL and the Creation Matrix are VERY different things really. Then you add in the later Matricies (what's the plural again?) whose natures are really vague (though most seem Primus-centric, as opposed to the MoL) and it's a big jumble of different objects that the article was trying to fannon together into one thing.


 * Even if we do want to go for a joint page on all things Matrix, which may indeed be the best way, this needed editing, since if was a-mush with fannon. I also think if it's going to be universal, this article kinda belongs under the title "Autobot Matrix" since that's an appropriate title to refer to all the subjects contained therin, rather than nameing it after something that's only a small fraction of it's subject? Agree/disagree? ZacWilliam 11:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)