Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 14

Revenge of the Fallen
I think we really need at least one helper here to deal with things about Revenge of the Fallen, since there are too many unconfirmed infomations and rumors, besides, many new related articles are written in poor quality (including layout). -- TX55   TALK  05:14, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Just want to say that there are 2 more more characters that need to be added to the cast: Ejector and another unnamed robot, but the two, plus Wheelie, are going to be animated by an Allspark shard, and i got this info from the Sears website, in the comic adaptation. -Anonymus

New admin recruiting
I think we need another one or two admins, because only one is quite not enough. -- TX55   TALK  13:05, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * What an admin should do?
 * Patrolling RecentChanges and Upload log


 * Removing/Deleting vandalizing (normal users have the responsibility, too)
 * Banning vandalizer for 1 year


 * Giving certain users, , , , , and other User notice templates. (normal users have the responsibility, too)


 * Revising out-verse into in-universe, especially the contents under certain section such as Fiction section. (normal users have the responsibility, too)
 * (No) "In the episode B.O.T., we saw A kicked B's butt."
 * (Okay) "A kicked B's butt.


 * Filling information to new files without any description/information, especially copyright informations. If you don't know the source/artist, place / or both. (normal users have the responsibility, too)
 * Tagging low-res images with
 * Deleting bad-named file. Such as MEG-1.jpg or 12839r475tr5bv.jpg. (normal users have the responsibility, too)


 * Deleting/Removing leak information (including review from stolen toys), fan stuff, any nonofficial products ...etc (normal users have the responsibility, too)

By the way, I found I cannot access to Special:UserRights. IIRC, isn't all the sysop can access the page? -- TX55   TALK  04:02, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I think only Bureaucrats or higher can do that, which would be Nova81426, who hasn't edited since 2005. Can someone at Wikia turn TX55 into a Bureaucrat? --Tetrap 03:19, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

New admins and rollback users requesting
I've sent few request for weeks (at least a month?), when can the site have new admins and rollback users? (And I haven't mentioned the bureaucrat yet) Thanks. -- TX55   TALK  18:47, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

New admins and rollback users requesting, AGAIN
Okay, I've sent requesting message over and over again for over a month until I stop in recent weeks. The message was either non-replied or "Find sb. who is familiar" (while I still got no replied after I sent to the staff).

Well, before the exodus, it seems the user can become an admin as soon after getting recommended. While now, it seems not so fast. I've invited two user nearly two months ago, and they are still normal users.

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (franchise) is going to premiere in less than 20 days. I can't imagine what will happen after ROTF in theater. The site really need more admins to help maintain it.

I'll post the new admin and rollback user list here this time.


 * Admin
 * Jeep!
 * Xeno the Hedgehog


 * Rollback
 * KaotikusNemesis
 * Sabrblade
 * SeryanL
 * StarShade17
 * Tetrap

Thank you very much. :)

-- Yours Sincerely,  TX55   TALK  13:04, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * TX, I've responded to your requests about new admins. Can we move forward with cleaning up the tone of these templates? I've provided suggestions for making them more helpful rather than scaring away new contributors. I appreciate the removal of three of the "bastard" templates, but the continuing use of the remaining 15 as they're currently set up, isn't in the best interests of this wiki's growth. —Scott ( talk ) 16:36, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It's not easy to get the balance between the old and new template which I'm still trying to rework. And I don't think this is related to the new admin issue. I mean, why can we have some new admin, and maybe we could work it out. -- TX55   TALK  16:44, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, it kind of is. Any new admins that are recruited at this point will be following your lead. I think this wiki has the potential to be an exciting place for Transformers fans to hang out again, but the harsh tone left over from the previous regime needs to go away in order for that to happen. We want communities to grow and prosper, but if new contributors are constantly getting bombarded with messages harshly telling them what they did wrong, they're not going to stick around. Messages left for new users who make mistakes should be helpful an informative. An admin's job is see over that process. If a new person on the wiki makes an edit in good faith, they should be encouraged about how to best improve the wiki, not scolded for their innocent mistakes. If that type of administering continues, I don't think it's in the best interests here. I'd love to have some new folks promoted before the influx of traffic comes from the release of the new movie -- can we make sure that the next generation of administration here is going to be helpful rather than berating? —Scott ( talk ) 16:55, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * All I said is, the site is still in a transitional state, and there are only one sysop. I need to make sure all article is in the normal quality, that's the first thing what I do every day (After I finish my office work). After patrolling is done, then I check if I have more time left for me to do some administration work. Like I said, it effort-taking job and there is only one person who is doing. So, I can't rework 15 template at any time, though I want to change them.


 * But fortunately, at least some of the users do help with the quality-control. That's why I ask them to be part of the sysop team. And I believe they have their own opinions. I never think to be a leading role at the moment. In my experiences, some time it's a teamwork without a leader 'cause every one is a leader. Other time, it's a teamwork with a head. In this case, I hope we can work under the former situation more often, because I don't think I've stayed long enough to be one. There are still things I need to learn. So, by working together, I can gain more experiences. However, there is only a sysop now, so I need to work alone to figure things out. (Well, if someone ask me why I need a bureaucrat, that's because the site needs one.)


 * I'll post something if I find I miss some point. :) `-- TX55   TALK  17:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I absolutely appreciate your position, and I'm glad you feel that way. I should point out that users don't have to be admins to provide quality control or help new users. I encourage anyone in the community who cares about the quality of the wiki to do so. That said, being granted admin privileges is certainly more of a commitment to those ideas. I'd love to hear from some of the people you've suggested for the role about their thoughts regarding the tone for new users moving forward. —Scott ( talk ) 17:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, ja, I forgot to mention I know users don't have to be admins to provide quality control or help new users. But what I do know is, being admin can use more functions to help the site than a normal user. I always remember during the period between the Exodus to the time I become a sysop, it's really extremely chaotic and terrible. Because:


 * 1) No one can banned the vandalizing users.
 * 2) No one can delete the pages with ridiculous contents. Even the contents are removed, the pages are still there, sometimes even with ridiculous title.
 * 3) Okay, now here is one sysop finally. But one day, the only-one sysop suddenly got some emergency such as: getting sick (especially heavily ill), a desk filled with reports, works and files, or the computer crushing, and not to mention the Professor is behind you, waiting for the thesis. THEN, the site is just like good old days  nobody can deal with the #1 and #2.
 * 4) Not to mention any other possible situation.


 * Now THESE are the reason why I'm so insisting that the site NEED at least two more admins. -- TX55   TALK  17:41, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * What's "Rollback" mean again?--KaotikusNemesis 22:03, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Means you can revert several edits at once, skipping back to a few versions ago on a page. Jeep! 00:14, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, by clicking the rollback button, you can revert a sequence of the edits contribute by the same user without entering the editing screen. :) -- TX55   TALK </SUP> 01:03, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * ....Whoa, brah.--KaotikusNemesis 07:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Please?
 * If there is no any other admin and rollback user, vandalizers can not be banned immediately and their edits cannot be easily reverted. Thank you. -- Yours sincerely,  TX55   TALK </SUP> 07:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

User Templates
Okay, since Scott mention the Category:User notice templates need to be reworked, I hope this can be discussed in open since this is no one-person-effort.

The goal is "How to reach a balance between the old message (which contains some of the factor from Transformers franchise) and the new version". As my knowledge, some of the current message boxes do need reworked, but other are not mean or unfriendly.

Seems this is very important (since if we don't ?##########) and hope everyone can work on it. :) -- TX55   TALK </SUP> 16:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the templates should stay, but should only be applied to repeat offenders. Their first offense could be dealt with by reverting the edit and explaining their error in the edit summary, the templates should be applied at strike 2 or 3, 4 deserves a personal warning from administrative staff, 5 or more requires more drastic consequences. Of course, this is just a hypothetical solution and by no means should we limit our options. Furthermore, I think the front page should have a link to the rules and guidelines, done in large enough font that it is one of the most obvious links on the front page. I visit this sight two or three times a day, and even I still haven't figured out exactly where the policy page is, so you can imagine how an inexperienced user might not think to look for it, and thus make mistakes due to their unfamiliarity with the policies of this wiki. I also think that the discussion of a major edit to any article prior to its implication should be a firmly enforced obligation on the part of all users, regardless of status. your thoughts? Also, would it be possible to alter the edit function of the wiki such that a signature is automatically added at the end of each post on the discussion pages; we all sometimes neglect to sign our posts, and for those of us whom are expected to enforce the wiki's policies, such an error can be a little embarassing. Xeno the Hedgehog 17:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The main page is one of the thing that need to be reworked. I used to post notice on the MediaWiki:Sitenotice, but seems not work out so well and is often got changed. As for the user templates, it is not only given by the admin, but also any users who know the basic stantard/policies/rule of the site.
 * And yes, Xeno has another point, some of the template should be given after many repeated mistakes by the certain user. And I admit I am too fast to give some users when I become the sysop to several months ago. -- TX55   TALK </SUP> 17:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with the idea of keeping the templates for repeat offenders. Perhaps keeping the harsher ones for worse cases, with milder, friendlier ones used for the first template-warning? Jeep! 20:54, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Here come a good example. There are two ugly new pages today:
 * Magnus Hammer‎ - poor contents with poor layout
 * We can give the user with a notice template.


 * Worm-thing - the contents is nothing written but "peanut"
 * This serves the user a harsher template.

And I would like to state again, anyone can give other a user notice template as long as you are familiar with this site. It's one of the user rights. :) -- TX55   TALK </SUP> 01:03, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

User Templates, Part 2
I've created some newcomer notice templates recently. Those templates are mainly tagged on newcomers' talk page. If the newcomer make the same mistakes too many times, the user will start to receive a user notice templates from the fourth time. And, just like good old day, anyone can give other a user notice template or newcomer notice template as long as you are familiar with this site. It's one of the user rights. :) -- TX55   TALK </SUP> 09:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

New admins and rollback users requesting, AGAIN and AGAIN
As you can see, without more helping hand, the vandalism cannot be deleted, reverted and blocked.

I'd like to ask when the new admin and rollback users can be added. Appreciate.

-- Yours Sincerely  TX55   TALK </SUP> 03:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Cross Wiki Links
Hey, it's me agian, from linkin Park wiki. I was wondering seem how the band does the soundtacks for the film ataptation maybe we could bring our wikis together. Everything Transformers like names etc I will link to your pages and anything Linkin Park on your site will be linked to my wiki. For example On your page for the Transformers:Revenge of the Fallen you could link New Divide to Linkin Park wikis New Divide page and we will do the same for anything transformers. Is that ok?  Chester  Talk  08:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow, No problem at all. We'd be glad to see the pages from the site linked with your pages. ^^ -- TX55   TALK </SUP> 16:35, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I start linking soon, I am a little busy right now.  Chester  Talk  16:37, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * That's okay, I can understand since similar thing happens to me as well. (Ha ha.) And thanks for your proposal again. ;-D -- TX55   TALK </SUP> 16:44, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I Linked What I've Done to Transformers (Film) and New Divide to Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. Also I linked Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen from are main page!  Chester  Talk  17:09, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Eh? I have linked my pages to you, are you going to link to us?  Chester  Talk  15:55, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey man, I've just seen this now, guess it's been lost in the shuffle. I'm not up-to-speed on code, really, but if you could show me how to turn a link here into one pointing to the Linkin Park wiki, I'll whip up the links anywhere I can ifnd them. Jeep! 17:31, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Oops, I just saw the message too. I've created several w:c:linkinpark:page name in some pages, such as Linkin Park (of course), Transformers: The Album, Studio 4°C. -- TX55   TALK </SUP> 02:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Volunteers recruiting
Um, maybe some of you know that ROTF is premiere in Japan on June 8, 2009. So, I need some volunteer who is immune to the spoiler and can help to cleanup the new-added contents if they don't qualify the standards. Please, this is very important. Thanks a lot. ;-D -- TX55   TALK </SUP> 16:35, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)
The site has a policy and standard about the franchise.

Take Armada for example, it is Armada (franchise) instead of Transformers: Armada. That's why we have Revenge of the Fallen instead of Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (franchise).

As for the ROTF (film), it is a film. We avoid to use (movie) is because we need to make a difference between Movie (franchise). -- TX55   TALK </SUP> 02:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Activity related to ROTF

 * See also For the Movie Release

(Reply area here)

Hello everyone, Wikia staff Karim has informed me about an activity about ROTF, similar to Terminator Salvation Giveaway but also include a fun little mini-game to play as well. The prizes are being furnished by Paramount and IDW comics and they're shooting to launch it by tomorrow for the release of the movie. The event should run for a little less than two weeks. -- TX55   TALK </SUP> 04:12, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * And now the game is here!!! —Scott ( talk ) 17:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

ROTF Spoilers
As everyone can see, several users are rampantly posting spoilers and other unsourced material in the ROTF articles. Xeno has suggested to protect the page until released. I think maybe we should locked them for anon. Though there will be some trouble, this is so far the one idea we thought of.

Any idea is welcome. :)

And the last but not least, if you see any users posting spoilers repeatedly, just give the user a. -- TX55   TALK </SUP> 01:58, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * All in favor say AYE!!! Xeno the Hedgehog 04:34, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Word.--KaotikusNemesis 06:55, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Phew, it's done. The page protections will expire in 11 days for safe and buffer. Fortunately, for two thing, 1. There are only 34 pages need protections, 2. the first protection level not only block the anon, but also new users. Hope things will go smooth. :D -- TX55   TALK </SUP> 17:13, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * You've made my job so much easier, thanks. Just one question though, what qualifies as "new users"? under what circumstances does a new user gain the ability to edit these pages? Xeno the Hedgehog 05:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. I think it becomes easier for me as well. :D As for the "new users", it seems related to the date when the user came instead of edit count. But I don't know when a new user can become an old one. -- TX55   TALK </SUP> 17:54, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I really think that the spoiler is "a little bit" out-of-control... -- TX55  <SUP> TALK </SUP> 15:13, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Transmorphers
I was at my local blockbuster the other day, and I found what appears to be a parody film of Transformers, aptly titled "Transmorphers". I haven't actually rented and watched the film yet, but it was released around the same time as the '07 movie, and the trailer gives the impression of an extremely simplified Terminator 4 with a little transformation mixed in. The special effects look semi-decent, but I doubt it's academy award material. Do you think it's worth including the film in this wiki? Xeno the Hedgehog 05:30, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Now now, if we give Asylum attention for making low-budget rip-offs of popular films, they'll just keep doing it. --Tetrap 21:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

For the users who use catagory edit function
If convenient, we'd like to suggest you to turn off the function, since it sometimes breaks something. :) -- TX55  <SUP> TALK </SUP> 14:41, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Transformers G1 cartoon goof

 * Moved to Talk:Dinobot (G1)

new Demolishor pic
Under normal circumstances, I wouldn't post something like this, but my dad found an article on Revenge of the Fallen in the July issue of Maxim, and it features a full-body screenshot of Demolishor as he charges through the humans' vehicle barricade. I can't see his face, but given the direction of the grooves in his wheels, it appears to show him from behind. Xeno the Hedgehog 06:51, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I can't get in.
I am trying to register but it says "Unable to register you,(Or something.) please try again latter." What do I do? I`ll be waiting for an answer. II`m new so I can`t leave a username. I`m the last guy that edited Transformers (film)

It doesn't matter if you're a registered user or not. whenever you edit a discussion page, you should put four ~s at the end of your post; when you click the preview button (and subsequently the save page button) the four ~s will automatically be replaced with your IP address and the date and time that you submitted the post. As for your registry problems, go to the front page and read the sentences below the title bar (it should be in the middle of your screen when the front page finishes loading). Xeno the Hedgehog 16:42, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Who is this character?
Original title:Can anyone please tell me what is the name of this Transformer??????

Please tell me what's the name of this Transformer?? Thank you.


 * Looks like Blitzwing to me. Although this is a Wiki, not a message board.--KaotikusNemesis 22:59, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. Looks like it, but I don't think it's that one. I saw once the exact Transformer on Wiki but I cannot find it anymore.--Anto1234 04:01, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

System problems?
In recent weeks, I found there are lots of edits contain script code such as &amp; or &#160;. At first, I think it might related to a single user, but I found seems that happens to various edits by different users. Can the problem be fixed? Thanks a lot. :D -- TX55  <SUP> TALK </SUP> 02:50, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Could that possibly be related to the WYSIWYG editor that I've seen on here? It either doesn't seem to be active at the moment, or I've disabled it on my account somehow... --Tetrap 21:40, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * So it seems to be a problem caused by a new function. If so, that might also the reason which explain the link issue like this, such as Frenzy .-- TX55  <SUP> TALK </SUP> 17:52, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Turning off the WYSIWYG editor for entire site
Here are more examples of the bug now.

I've sent a mail to wikia staff if the function can be turned off, so any anonymous users won't break the layout. (Note: the function can be turned on/off.) However, Ms. Munro, one of the staff, said we should discuss the issue here whether the function gets turned off or not before next time we send a request to turn it off. I vote for turning off. I'd like to hear other users' thoughts. :) -- TX55  <SUP> TALK </SUP> 09:53, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * And that remind me I may mis-block a user due to the bug potentially caused by this function. So... -- TX55  <SUP> TALK </SUP> 10:00, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Plus, this function would ruin the comment tag/note marked after the category. -- TX55  <SUP> TALK </SUP> 15:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm in favour of killing it, I always switch to the raw code to edit anyway. It makes templates and images really difficult having it turned on. Jeep! 18:24, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Though it would likely attract new users and encourage people who don't know Wiki markup to contribute, it seems to be causing more problems than it's worth at the moment. --Tetrap 21:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

When I went on the Arcee (Movie) page I noticed that each link links to the next link (sorry I couldn't phrase that any better) if you go there and click on the word Bumblebee it shows Megatron's article. --Ninjabot33 09:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Arcee_(Movie)&diff=296397&oldid=296195

Yet another problem. -- TX55  <SUP> TALK </SUP> 02:08, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Ratchet_(Movie)&diff=296653&oldid=296636

And more. -- TX55  <SUP> TALK </SUP> 03:29, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Grimlock_(G1)&diff=293843&oldid=293127
 * http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Inferno_(BW)&diff=296711&oldid=293169
 * http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Hot_Shot_(Armada)/toys&curid=33420&diff=299342&oldid=295577
 * http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Grimlock_(G1)&diff=299449&oldid=298514

The function has been turning off by Uberfuzzy. Thanks a lot. :D -- TX55  <SUP> TALK </SUP> 06:23, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Socket puppets?
I don't have many comments about Funny stays or not, but... does it necessarily need socket puppets to do this? Not to mention no one bans these users.


 * Possible puppets
 * JetfireOP
 * 65.2.239.88
 * Mega-John
 * 24.233.176.71
 * Cybertron Defense Optimus Prime
 * Cybertron Lord
 * The Child Of Primus

If they are all the same, it's kinda... annoying, you know.-- TX55  <SUP> TALK </SUP> 15:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * They do all seem the same. Mega-John even admits to being JetfireOP, which should warrant a ban for blatantly defying the admins. Jeep! 15:26, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Multiple user name policy says such chicanery should be earning this guy a ban. --Tetrap 22:39, 5 August 2009 (UTC)