Talk:Main Page/Archive5

Universe 2008
I think you should ad a Universe 2008 link in the "by Series" section. Starfield 16:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I got it. I didn't know I could edit the main page.Starfield 17:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

The Irony

 * In a wiki about transformers their alt modes aren't even mentioned ANYWHERE! I find this odd... 21:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * There's two articles on popular vehicle and animal modes, transformation article etc. You can't list alt with every character when some don't stick with the one User:GWolfv2 22.11 June 4th
 * You can find the altmodes for characters, usually, on the Toys section of their articles. --Detour 21:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. 11:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * psst- subst has to be lowercase.  Also- too many colons. -Derik 11:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Just as an example, G1 Optimus is often a semi-cab, but he's also officially transformed into... Plus, there was a canceled dump truck Optimus in G2, and plans to make him into a train for Hearts of Steel as well. I don't remember what he turned into for DW's Joe crossover. --M Sipher 14:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Cybertronic Mobile artillery (Marvel comics, pre-Earth)
 * Sportscar (G2)
 * Organic bat (super-early BW)
 * Cybertronic truck-thing (War Within)
 * HISS tank (Devil's Due G.I. Joe)
 * Cybertronic pickup (e-hobby Orion Pax toy)
 * Some kind of prehistoric animal (Hearts of Steel)
 * Psst- I come from another wikia so it thought I had a sig. And to M Sipher thank you. I still think that should be somewhere in the artical. Maybe under Forms... 23:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Y'know, it just recently occurred to me that when we scan characters' profile art, we should probably include more than their robot mode. For instance, it seemed like this pic was served by including the gorilla mode because it emphasized the fact that it wasn't his original beast form. Then I uploaded this image and included the jet because it was a particularly well-drawn alt mode. And now that I've done that... I'm going to make a point of including alt-modes whenever I can. - Jackpot 02:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * To save on space (tall images are the BANE of the wiki), I placed the smaller images (such as the alt mode) over part of the large images in a picture, such as what I did for Bomb Burst. Of course, I also mostly did it so the uploaded pics would look similar to the original Pretender boxart arrangement (shell behind, robot in the middle, vehicle in the foreground).
 * Little Iron's Soundwave looks GREAT, btw. --FFN 03:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

'Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen' countdown
There's 381 days (as of June 9th, 2008) until 'TF2:ROTF' comes out and already there's a countdown box? I know it's too late to remove it, but don't you think it's a little too soon to put one up? It's like this one 'Garfield' comic strip that was printed on December 26th with Garfield shutting off his alarm clock and declaring "365 days until Christmas!". Well, atleast the box isn't counting down the hours, minutes, and seconds. -Zadok Rox 12:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I started counting down the days in my head as soon as I learned the release date. I think it's all in good fun, no reason to remove it. (Undecided) 01:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the concept of it counting down the minutes and hours (and even seconds) would be kind of cool. &quot;MovieMan&quot; 20:34, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The main page is re-calculated a few times a day- that's now this works. (and so it can be off by as much as 8 hours.) An actual countdown clock would have to be a flash or Javascript thing.  (I'd also be against it because it'd be pure flashy gimmick- knowing the number of minutes isn't any more useful than the number of days.)  I find the days useful because they remind the that between sequels, novels, tie-in, early buzz, DVD campaigns, late store exclusives... the 'stuff' relating to the first movie is still just wrapping up.  (The followup comic comic will run through August.)  At that point- it'll be 300 days until the second movie.  Since you can expect to see the first teasers, prequels, buzz, viral marketing campaigns etc... ~200 days out, I find it a useful tool for me keeping my perspective.  Things like- "Gee, I suppose we'd better get around to documenting the ARG properly before the sequel campaign starts..." -Derik 21:04, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Since no one said anything...
The last discussion of a 'goals' list for the month... somewhere... petered out, so I just threw some on the front page. (Mostly nonexistant wanted articles.) They have a 'star' rating to show how complete they are which you can easily edit. Hopefully we can get these to 5 stars by the end of June! -Derik 02:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Stubbed two of them already, hopefully with enough info that people can pick up easily.--RosicrucianTalk 04:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * As I said above -
 * About the list of "ways to help"... thing is, those up-front lists should be geared toward attracting new editors -- new editors who by definition aren't going to know all the million little persnickety formatting things you have to know to set up a new page. Stuff like "fill in a stub" or "add storylinks" is a lot less intimidating, and a lot easier to slide into, than "here, make this page from scratch."  I think an expanded list, akin to what's on my sample sandbox, should be near the top of the page, rather than a bunch of red links. -- Repowers 22:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I would be for that. I wanted a lost of articles that needed to be brought to completion that were already clocked in.  I just didn't know which to pick!  Sub some out!
 * I just-- I like the list because it gives a visible sense of progress (at the end of the month) on articles that no one would be inclined to work on on their own. -Derik 04:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Should we have info boxes
It is to include some detail like this for example


 * It was decided against long ago for many logistical nightmare reasons, the primary ones being that so many characters have very different bodies, affiliations, functions, mottos, jump continuities... --M Sipher 19:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It would be a nightmare. --ItsWalky 19:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmmmmm, I see. 82.17.140.55 09:26, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What is Optimsu Prime (G1)'s altmode? He's has close to 50.  Even if 50% of them are trucks... the other 25 aren't.  Character abilities, weapons and allegiance have shifted over ltierally millions of years, as have their bodies, catchphrases, names- and even genders.
 * We've taken a serious look at character boxes at least 3 times, and every proposal, no matter comprehensive, it's easy to find a character for which the box simply... breaks, being unable to accommodate the diversity of experience the character has had.
 * Character boxes are a good idea, they provide a quick thumbnail overview of a character's history... but we don't want thumbnail overviews, we want in-depth infromation. If you wanted a thumbnail overview, go to Wikipedia, which deletes and trims articles containing 'unnecessarily in-depth information.' -Derik 09:43, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Why didn't you added them in at first. 82.17.140.55 20:04, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You didn't read ANYTHING in this section, did you. --M Sipher 20:17, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Letters Page
Since there's a redurring theme to the letters page of characters answering the fanmail in Marvel, DW and Titan Comics, should we have a page referencing them? User:GWolfv2 Time, no idea, no clock on this computer
 * We've got Letters page (Marvel UK), but an article on Letters pages in general wouldn't be out of place- if only as something to link to when referencing info that came from letters pages, in-character or not. -Derik 08:40, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

88MPH Studios
Could somebody more knowledgeable than myself start an article on 88MPH Studios? I ordered their book years ago and have yet to receive it. I heard this had happened to others and that Hasbro was suing them... Then I heard nothing. Evan1975 05:44, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Most info is in the Genesis: The Art of Transformers article. Drmick 10:29, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks! If you don't mind, I'll put a redirect in 88MPH Studios. Evan1975 03:16, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

By Series Column
What in the fuck, dudes? Why the hell is it so gigantic now? Before or after we move, we seriously need to figure out how to display this stuff without making one single gigantic column of text. Wasn't the giant column one of the things you all complained about when I proposed using the series logos? And what's with the sudden listing of Japanese series that we didn't care about before? --FFN 08:49, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I liked it better when it was smaller, too. Just who is responsible for the retarded "add every single medium ever to the front page" project, anyway? (Checking page history now...) Galvanisation 09:00, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Update: Someone called "Starfield" started it. Galvanisation 09:03, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought "Machine Wars" deserved a line. If you want my opinion, Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers through Operation Combination are derivatives of G1 and are actually broken down on the The Transformers (franchise) page (you can find them by clicking on G1), so they could be removed. The same could go for Beast Wars II and Neo. Also, if there could be one line for Gobots, with a page branching off from there, it would be good.&mdash;Starfield 10:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I think it looks quite impressive. But, I must admit, I had a hand in this too. I added all the U.S. franchises to the list. I did not, however, add the Japanese franchises. But, when saw that someone had, I tweaked the list a bit by changing "comic" to "manga" on those that had manga instead of comics. I also added "manga" to G1 since it had both "comics" and "manga". I then continued tweaking by fixing some links that needed to be fixed. And I added the " toyline " and "comic" to Transtech. Say what you guys want about he list being a negative thing, but I think it's spectacular. Sabrblade 15:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

The main page is supposed to be welcoming and accessible, not overwhelming and anal. More bluntly, this is a U.S.-centric Wiki. Masterforce et al. by no means deserve to be front and centered above Beast Wars. Before anybody even does it, we also don't need a front-page link to Music Label and Animorphs either. --Thylacine 2000 15:33, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought Interrobang would know better than to shove in all the Japanese series as well. --FFN 16:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I aim for consistency. If you're going to dump all of the obscure Hasbro series into the list, then the Japanese series are fair game. Now that they're all removed, I don't care. —Interrobang 21:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You boys do know that swears don't really make you sound "grown-up," don't you? -
 * Criticizing the use of words won't, either. —Interrobang 23:15, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but editing a toy-robot wiki does prove that our cocks are massive. - Jackpot 22:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * And I'm Australian. We curse all the time. I swear it. --FFN 23:03, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

did you know...
this is what your main page looks like to the public that dont/cant have ads blocked?

Image:Ads_push_down.jpg

would you consider using the tags so that its not as ugly for the rest of us?

--Uberfuzzy 13:12, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, to me (i.e. Firefox 2) the note about the other two URLs is covered up - no pushdown of any kind. I can provide a screenshot if desired. --◄mendel► 18:07, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * We are intentionally leaving the front page broken to demonstrate how Wikia's new ads are screwing up Teletraan 1's layout for people who are not logged in. Hilariously, one of the Wikia staff's attempts to force a change on the front page made things worse... and he sneakily removed the big link to our discussion on moving to our own server. --FFN 05:29, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikia's original "let us edit your mainpage for you!" actually broke the page in 2 of the 3 major browsers because their community helper didn't bother to check his work in anything but Internet Explorer.
 * The page has been reverted back to its original state, which is broken in fewer browsers than the changes Wikia imposed on us when we made it clear we didn't want them.
 * Yeah, we know that we could rewrite their shitty code to work- but their shitty new layout still looked shitty. This is the subject of an ongoing staring contest between us and Wikia-- their standard interaction with TT1 goes like this;
 * "Hey, I'm gonna suggest something!"
 * "What, you don't want to do it? But you have to!"
 * "No, really, I said it was a suggestion, but what I really meant is 'you have no choice,' now agree."
 * "I'm doing it anyway."
 * "...oh crap, I broke it."
 * So we know the main page is ugly. But it's staying that way for the moment while we glare at one another. -Derik 05:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Moving Images
Can we add in moving images like why don't we try replacing the image of bulkhead transforming his kibble into a chair to an image of bulkhead transforming his kibble into a chair in a motion way. They way we don't have to add in more than one image to merge into one. Mr. Serious 15:48, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

broken image
Is this image broken since September 24th for anybody else, or is it just me? --◄mendel► 13:52, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * i saw it to. try now. see if its still broken. --Uberfuzzy 14:53, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Better. --◄mendel► 21:52, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, good. If you see it happen again, try this: Go to the "Image:" page that the thumbnail is of, and place  at the end, and click "go", (or what ever your browser calls it). By doing this, you are telling the image server to trash any cached data about that image, and this causes all thumbnails to be rebuilt the next time they are loaded. The fact that the image image its self was corrupted, but not the source image tells me that it was just some server side random glitch. It just happens randomly in systems where there is thumbnail caching being done. /shrug. --Uberfuzzy 03:57, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

half hidden logo
Monaco. Firefox 3. --◄mendel► 12:26, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Should be fixed now. Some of the css was not where it was supposed to be. Let us know if it happens again. --Uberfuzzy 06:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

IRC channel?
I saw the wikia doesn't have an IRC channel, thought it would be nice to set one up. I made a page with the server info but it would get more views if there was a link of some kind on the front page.

If you think it's a good idea and link it, thanks

If not... well at least I tried

--ninja187 17:07, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Wikia IRC channels are mostly on Freenode. Then we can add it to the web interface at http://irc.wikia.com/  There's nothing to stop you using a different network of course, but it does mean that people with an interest in more than one subject can be in multiple IRC channels.  Let me know if you want a Freenode channel added to the web interface -- sannse (talk) 17:45, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

City Commander
Is the City Commander Ultra MAgnus upgrade Fanon? IT is awesome 01:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)01:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)01:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)01:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)01:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)~``````

???
I'm pretty sure at least some of you guys have seen this right? http://tformers.com/transformers-first-look-at-colored-mickey-mouse-transformer/10428/news.html

tfwiki.net
What is it anyway? It's articles seem VERY similar to te ones here. Even the captions are mostly similar. But they sometimes have a little bit more info. Are these wikis mirror sites or what?Deceptibot747 16:21, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * TFWIKI is where the community that used to work on this wiki moved to whenever Wikia started jerking them around. Virtually every major contributor that made this wiki what it is now left to work on TFWIKI in early September of this year, and as a result, it's now got some 800 more articles than this wiki does. It is, essentially, the wiki you should be visiting. - 78.32.44.57 16:33, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * What did wikia do to make them all leave? Deceptibot747 07:18, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Check here, but basically they increased the advertising and messed everyone around. --125.236.142.84 09:40, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

I've been wondering something. If that one's so much better (which, it is), then why is this one still up? Why leave the inferior version still running, if there's a superior one up at the same time? Sabrblade 16:57, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Because Wikia want the money this one brings in. They're not going to ditch something that's worked well for them for a couple of years just because a competing site now exists. -78.32.44.57 17:20, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * This is why I never liked participating in this wiki. You couldn't have just said something like there are still a lot of people who'd rather stay in Wikia than move elsewhere. Sigh... --Destron Commander 10:56, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

What I'd like to know is where it came from. Was it once created to mirror this wiki? I'm pretty sure the main page said something like welcome to tfwiki.net and I think the talk page had somone complaining about this wiki coming up second in a google search and something like transformers.wikia.com or tfwiki.net. I am so confused, plus, I'm too used to this wiki to just leave itDeceptibot747 17:09, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It was created in September when the old staff decided to move to a new, privately-owned server, so that they wouldn't be subject to Wikia's rules and advertising anymore. They were supplied with a database-dump of everything that they had done on Wikia up to that point, so they could take all their work to the new server (which is why there is a lot of mirrored content), but they are two separate sites, owned and run by different people. And yes, this wiki DID previously say "Welcome to TFWIKI.net" on its main page - originally, before the community moved, if you typed "Tfwiki.net" into your browser, it would redirect you to this wiki. The name was put on the front page for some time before the move so that visitors would get used to the new, easier-to-remember address and bookmark it. - 17:20, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * So now, this wiki is just left incomplete as it is because the most knowledgable contributors have gone and left. And what remains is a few users with good intentions for this site but aren't capable of much more than protecting it from vandalisme. Hope something good comes along or that wikia removes this site so we wouldn't be left with a vandalised and damaged insult to what this site used to be. Deceptibot747 11:16, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Why do they have talk pages with comments older than their site? Did they copy their talk pages after theyleft this wiki? Deceptibot747 20:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * When the articles were transferred over to the new site, each article's talk page carried over as well. Sabrblade 17:09, 19 January 2009 (UTC)