Talk:Optimus Prime (Tyran)

Prime's offical bio was released a few days ago. Shouldn't it go in here?

Read your talk page more often. Explanation was there. Suffice to say, posting the bio, word for word, is a no-no.--UndeadScottsman 11:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I never read my talk page. Who in their right mind would want to talk to me

The captions under the pictures in this article are inapropriate and rude
 * I'm sorry you lack a sense of humor. --Detour 06:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Unreleased Toy?
My friend recently sold me a "prototype Mcdonalds" O.P. for 4 bucks along with some other figures. Teletraan 1 does not have an entry on this odd toy, and I am gretly curious as to what the heck this toy is: [img]http://gallery.zealot.com/data/500/medium/000_0017.JPG[/img]

Top image
Derik, on-screen Movie characters need to have Dreamworks images at the top of their pages. -Rotty 21:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * ...why? If a character appears in multiple media we seem to pick whatever shows the character off best.  This book (being a retelling of the movie) probably isn't the best example, but if we got a great image of Prime by Geoff Senior in the UK Mag, can we never use that?
 * (I'm not disagreeing that there is a good argument for reverting to the original picture,but I'm not sure I agree with your statement that Dreamworks renders are automatically the only acceptable main image. Frankly, I think a lot of Dreamworks images look bad when not in motion.)

-Derik 21:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Because we need the top-quality Dreamworks renders on every on-screen character's page in any case, and putting them on top creates consistency like a legitimate encyclopedia. You added a great image, but it belongs down further. -Rotty 21:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I still prefer that render of the actual CG model used in the movie than the low-res, low-detail promotional CG model render we're using now. --FFN 21:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, let us use that one. -Rotty 22:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Apparently we can't. They decided that the movie design looked ugly and that was the end of discussion, evidently. I, on the other hand, think the lower-detail design from late 2005/2006 that the toys are based upon looks... incomplete (I mean the front of the hood just becomes these little nubs under his windows!) and not as visually impressive as the final version. --FFN 22:10, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm looking at these 4 images- and I'm really not seeing the huge differences between the designs of 2 and 3 that you're describing. Where does his hood go on #2 version that it doesn't in #3? #3 looks liek a rougher, simpler (better proportioned) model, but of the final design to me. And any way you cut it, i think #1 and #2 are the ugliest pictures in this lineup.


 * 1) 1's shoulder is coming out of his crotch, for instance.  If the final image misleads the eye about spatial relationships then it's badly composed.  The abstract knowledge that it is a 3d model and thus spatially perfect does not change the fact it it a terrible 2D image.  #3 has displeasing proportions- and frankly is boring and inspiring, capturing none of Prime's character. -Derik 22:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if it matters to anyone. But I prefer images 3 and 4. #1 is AWEFUL. #2 is boring. #3 is decent. #4 Is the best image, objectively, but of course isn't CGI.--ZacWilliam 22:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It' not like we're locked into the CGI- we don't use it for Cheetor's main image. If anything we seem to like having some variety to the sources we use.  That said- this is Prime, and I'd like to have a Dreamworks image if we could find one that doesn't suck.  It's not like we're locked into 'Okay it MUST be one of the Dreamworks promo images,' or that any image we choose is permanent.  Once the Blue-ray of the movie comes out we'll have lots of images to choose from (Not the mention the promised intermezzo story.)
 * I happen to think this is a gorgeous image, and even though it's of Prime's back, it captures something central to his character, and unique to the Movie version, the decision to make Earth not just a second home like in every other continuity ever- but an only home. -Derik 00:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * What does the first picture have to do with anything? That's the old design anyway, and it seems most people hate that pose. The hood on the final model is more obviously hood-shaped and sits there on his torso. On the earlier design, they become red, for a lack of a better word, shapes. It is, by comparison, a poor CG model to the actual movie one, and the only thing going for it is its HEROIC POSE. But I can already see that maintaining such a differing opinion will be to no avail. --FFN 23:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You're all disdainful of the heoric pose. Why?  Do you think that the main image should be lifeless and dead as long as it's correct?  It's not like these are the only two renders of Prime out there.  -Derik 00:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not a fan of the model, not the pose. Those stupidly long blue things on his forearms appear to have been shorted or folded on the movie model. --FFN 02:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Fiction
Someone else had already added in some information from the prequel comics in the top paragraph, so I just rearranged it to the bottom with a spoiler tag. If we're not supposed to put fiction in yet, I'm sorry. -EricMarrs 14:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

EW Interview canonical?
How do we want to treat the new Entertainment Weekly intereview with movie Prime? It was apparently written by the screenplay writers and was (likely?) approved by Hasbro to see print, does that make it official canon? We HAVE set a president of a sort by counting things like Toaster and the "ask vector prime" info, though those were from first party sources and this is in a second party source but was likely approved by first party? So, um yeah, is that official enough? I ask because though tounge-in-cheek it mentions things like movie Ratchet's wedding that might deserve a passing light-hearted mention on his page. If we are taking Toaster and Blaster's sister as cannon then is this any different? Thoughts? --ZacWilliam 01:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know how likely or not it was to have been Hasbro approved. Given how meta-jokingly it's written -- with Optimus and Megatron being actors who play Optimus and Megatron in the movie, Megatron being such a method actor it's best to avoid him when he's in-character because he might vaporize you -- I'm not really sure how to treat it as "canon."


 * Also, I feel I must nitpickingly point out that, technically, the reference isn't to movie Ratchet's wedding, as that answer comes in response to a question about whether Optimus kept up with "his old Autobot buddies from the show," and we of course are treating the movie and G1 characters as separate entities. ;) --KilMichaelMcC 02:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree it's a tricky call, which is why I bring it up. I'd guess anything written by the screenwriters as promo for the movie in a major publication like EW would have had to have some kind of official OK/oversite. The "meta" side of it, being tounge in cheek and breaking the third wall and all that is an issue too, but at the same time we include things like the tounge-in-cheek, third-wall-breaking Botcon scripts, UK letters page, and ask Vector Prime which all proceed from similar footing. It's worth debate at least. --ZacWilliam 03:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

In a similar vein, what about Sarah Silverman being a Transformer? All that MTV awards show shpiel had to have been approved at least by Dreamworks. It's no more ridiculous than any of the other examples listed above. Less funny, but that's Sarah Silverman for you. --Thylacine 2000 15:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

OP's face
Should it be added in that Optimus will still have his retractable face plate as seen in earlier concept work (now confirmed by official screenshots) and that he looks a lot like a robotic Peter Cullin? King Starscream 02:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

What went wrong?
What the fuck just happened? I edited the "Fast Action Battlers" section, and now it's fucked up! What did I do wrong? Does this Wiki have a mind of it's own, and it craves incorrect information, thus if I try to correct it it screws me over?

I honestly dont know either bud. I wish they would say SOMTHING more then what their saying about all of the Fast Action battlers. A wiki should be unbais. Btw: Since this is the talk page, I just thot I'd throw in an OPINION, but my OPINION is that I think Fast action Starscream, Ratchet, and Brawl are pretty close to the "real" versions of them, and a nice alternative when u wanna save a few bucks. (with the latter...the former..not so much, but its a nice alternative to him, and the cannon is more accurate)--Chipmonk3288

FAB and G1 prime two-pack
"For some reason the Classics Prime toy is designated "1984 Optimus Prime", even though he was released in 2006." I'd love to edit out this stupidity, but last time I tried it screwed up the format of the text. Can somebody tell me what I did wrong, or just fix the mistake themselves? --Sav 10:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * What's wrong with it? --Sntint 14:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * And don't call my work stupid. I'm responsible for most of the toy sections on this wiki these days,and most are uncompromisingly 'straight' in comparison to the rest of this place. That was a moment of left-of-field levity - I was pointing out the fact a crappy G1 Prime toy from 2006 that sort of looks like G1 Prime is flogged as '1984 Prime' even though he technically isn't. --FFN 14:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It's meant to represent G1 Prime, and it does a fairly good job, because I think "g1" when I look at the toy. No matter, though, it seems to have been corrected.--Sav 08:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Leader class figure factory irregular
I recently picked up a leader class prime and when I tried to transform it, one of its elbows wouldn't bend. at first I thought it was the screws, but upon closer inspection, the two arm parts had fused solid! is it my figure or a larger oversight on hasbros part?

Peter cullen figure?
I want pics. -Derik 09:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Bam. 70.55.207.104 09:38, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

spare pic
Old low-detail promo render pic --FFN 16:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Main pic
How about we discuss it before changing the picture? Especially (as I pointed out in the image talk of render3), this old render picture is based on the outdated design. --FFN 16:50, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There's been more discussion on this somewhere where we went full-circle around this is not the final design / the final design has less pleasing proportions / there are no CGI images of the final design that doesn't look goofy.
 * Does anyone have the DK I-0can-read book 'Meet the Autobots'? The hand-illustrated image of Optimus Prime standing on Earth on the final page is (I think) the final design, and I think it'd make a fantastic main pic for the article.  (Unfortunately I bought the guidebook instead, so... anyone want to scan?) -04:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh man, we totally need to have that picture on the article somewhere. It's fantastic. --Suki Brits 21:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * In the book this images occurs (I think) after the closing monologue of the movie, with Optimus thinking that 'life is good' on his new home. Could it go at the end of the movie section? -Derik 21:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Siblings?
I know that OP calls Megatron "Brother" in the movie, but are they actually siblings, or was Optimus speaking metaphorically (as Optimi tend to do)? If it's stated in the prequel comics, that's fine, but if it's only from one line in the movie I have to contend it. -King Starscream 16:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they are siblings. Its in the comics, kids books, novelisation ect, as I understand it. They toned down the reference to that one line in the movie for some reason, as the references were apparently more prevalent in the older draft. --FFN 16:57, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I thought he was just having a Hulk Hogan momemt. -- 69.182.245.28 06:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

His father
So one of the video games has a cutscene where Optimus says to Jazz that Megatron "took my father's spark". Did Activision bother to give the brothers' father a NAME in any of the games? -Rotty 00:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Not the console version.--Autobotx1010 01:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Another fun addition
I added basic information about the new "First Strike" Prime. Should be enough to suffice.

Videos mentioned in the trivia section...
I've only found poor quality videos from YouTube of that Burger King and the MTV thing - do higher res/quality ones exist? (And should we put links in so people can see them? I honestly didn't know about them until I read the page).

Giftcard and DVD Case Primes
Okay, I've hot a question... The Target giftcard and DVD cases that unfold into flat versions of Optimus Prime... Do they belong in the Merchandise section, and if so, does anyone have decent pictures of them? --Nemesis Primal 18:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Rearranging the toy list?
Should we rearrange the toy list sorted by molds? Currently it's a mess, it doesn't even exactly follow the release order; and even though Robo-Vision Prime was released after regular Voyager Prime, having them listed in this order and then calling Robo-Vision Prime a "redeco" of Voyager Prime is kinda iffy.--Nevermore 21:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * So. Any objections to this?--Nevermore 11:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Robo-Vision Prime preceded Voyager Prime by a very hefty margin. Technically Voyager Prime's the redeco here.--MCRG 07:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Voyager Class shoulder cannons?
Ok, I bought First Strike Optimus and I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get his shoulder cannons to lower. I thought they would work like Classics Optimus but they don't. Whats the trick to getting this to work?

Mouthplate
Is it worth to note that he's only shown(as far as i know) without his mouthplate ONLY in the movie?--Grand-majin 21:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * There's a Robot Heroes figure without the mouthplate. --ItsWalky 16:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * And he's in a Burger King commercial without the mouthplate, too.The Big Q 13:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

dashes
For eff's sake, I'm not TRYING to change the dashes - I don't care what they look like, I don't care which kind you use, I don't care if every page on the wiki uses tildes and umlauts instead of real punctuation. it happens automatically on these "this page may be too big" pages, which seems to be the point Interrobang missed. Once again: It's not intentional; it just happens. I don't know why, so I can't fix it. But by that same token, would you quit just plain old reverting the edit? The other stuff is minor, but it's not irrelevant - at least, not as irrelevant as it could be. It's on-topic with the subjects it's in. So by all means, please, fix th dashes that I've screwed up - but stop reverting the other bits. Please? Yeesh!71.207.12.70 07:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You seem to be ignoring the fact that I consider your actual additions minor and unnecessary. Regardless, "it happens automatically on these "this page may be too big" pages" makes very little sense, considering that it isn't consistent on whether it replaces the em dashes with "hyphen-hyphen-space" or "space-hyphen-space". —Interrobang 09:13, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, beats me—I'm no Firefox programmer. But just because you consider my additions unnecessary, it doesn't mean they actually are. Yeah, they're minor—I said as much. But unnecessary? Your opinion. Which you're only acting upon, I'd wager, because you're in a snit about the dashes. Am I wrong?71.207.12.70 05:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Premium Prime Eyes
Will they glow blue instead of yellow like the original Leader toy? If they do, it needs to be mentioned. The Big Q 13:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * the box shows blue, but it is still yellow unfortunately--Skyglide 19:07, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Red is Hard To Film?
In the 1970's TV show "Emergency!" featured many red fire trucks and the crew did not special measures to film them. Therefore, red is not a hard color to film. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency! Liberal Noob 01:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sure this isn't the only example of red vehicles ever being filmed. But Emergency!, being a TV show, was probably filmed on video, and not on... you know, film.  I don't know whether red vehicles being hard to film is some weird general thing I'd never heard of before this movie, or whether it has something to do with the special effects, but I'll take the professionals' word for it.
 * When I heard that in the commentary, I asked somebody who films stuff, and they said it's hard to get it to look consistantly the same color. He also said lighting can make it look very orange at times. --70.190.251.10 04:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * In my meager experience with Shake and film editing, I know red can be a bitch to color correct.--MCRG 07:05, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

It seems I have been misinformed. Thank you all for the clarification. Liberal Noob 17:44, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Why were my edits removed?
Peter Cullen did say that. I was just trying to make the images work better. 208.190.203.162 23:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Shall I include to this page? y/n
Someone got arrested at an airport for wearing a TF2007 Optimus Prime T-shirt? [source] Liberal Noob 21:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's fun trivia, especially if you contrast it with the fact that Megatron's always been the perceived safety hazard. I'd link to this BBC article instead, though, since it's a more mainstream, firsthand source.  Also, he wasn't actually arrested. - Jackpot 22:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Prime's Great Plan
Acknowledging that yes, the entry is fairly tongue-in-cheek to begin with, is the last trivia bit really fair? Obviously, Megatron was powerful, and nothing we'd want tromping around Earth any longer than he had to be. Without the All Spark for which he came to Earth to begin with, though, I don't recall him having the power to obliterate Earth. In fact, between the remaining Autobots and their good friends in the U.S. military, who showed during the battle of Mission City that no, not even Megatron was not invulnerable against heavy weapons fire... well, I'm hesitant to call the outcome either way, but it doesn't like the kind of foregone conclusion/idiotic plan the entry makes it out to be. Any thoughts? - Caswin 04:41, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, as we know from Twilight's Last Gleaming, Megatron could have won the battle of Mission City, but that was most likely due to getting his hands on the All Spark. However, the thought of "WTF, Prime?" did run through my head when I first heard it. Additionally, the Autobots didn't seem to believe that they could take on Megatron themselves, as shown when Ratchet ordered them to fall back upon his appearance. And remember, Megatron still had backup. -- SFH 04:47, 15 June 2008 (UTC)